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  What crime should elders report?

  by kramer in

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  so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.

  how about criminal fraud if they come across it.

  assault on a congregant?.

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  snare&racket

  Any crime. It's a crime! .......and they claim to be religious leaders, Christians.

  See Islam has sharia law, Catholics have the Canon law and JW's have the elders book. The brainwashing leads to an elders book trumping the law of the land! So much so a post is titled .....what crime should elders report?

  In reality ALL JW's should report all crimes!

  obviously, there is common sense and ethics involved in doing this. But serious crimes should be reported for civil sake!

  No elder would deny calling the police for a murder in the congregation or a rape... Child rape however they take their time and ask questions, hold back....speak to lawyers and decide not to as they are not 'obliged'. However they are welcome to and it is not improper to do so.

  Crime has a victim. Elders and JW's tend to weigh up the damage to the victim and the damage to the Watchtower brand, this calculation alone leads to whether they call or not.
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  Well... im disfellowshipped now.

  by pale.emperor in

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  very long story.

  i've been away from this site for a while.. basically, i tried to leave.

  handed in my disassociation letter, it kicked up a storm and 2 weeks later i was disfellowshipped.

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  The best thing you can do for that daughter, is go be a good, decent, happy, informed, successful human being outside the JW's. Such people exist everywhere in there millions and prove the JW's wrong. Your daughter seeing this will have the JW spell broken.

  Living a lie.....is no way to show your child how to live!

  Think back to what you wanted to be, wanted to do. You are free now. Go do it!
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  snare&racket

  Life is good. Busy working hard.

  Just been accepted for GP training, plan to do A&E and GP for the rest of my life.

  Its heavy going, in last 6 days did a night, three days then two nights. All 13-14hrs long, I have another two weeks of that before I start A&E in Cornwall.

  Not complaining however, love it!

  Hope you are well and happy X
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  Is confrontational "New Atheism" undermining the cause of atheism?

  by EdenOne in

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  interesting debate between lawrence krauss and greg epstein.. watch the debate on al-jazeera.. what do you think?.

  eden.

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  New atheism is about 15 years old now.....

  I think the intolerance to radical beliefs and its consequences are evidence of the world being more secular, whether it be the disgust at ISIS or the Catholic Church and chaste adults abusing children in huge numbers.

  'New' atheism is now a teenager and has started making demands ;)
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  snare&racket

  Forgive me, but "I've decided" is probably more accurate than "I've concluded" and it is a bit..... Naughty.... To discuss chemistry and science and then in the end make a 'conclusion' based on opinion.

  That is not what science does.

  Also, molecular forces explain the formation of these processes, simple physics explains why these naturally form and I'm not sure what your issue is?

  Atoms, molecules develop charges and that dictates free movement of particles and molecules. For example, space is full of sugar because hydrogen, carbon and oxygen is in abundance (having formed in stars) and naturally join together due to the difference in charge, forming molecules. Note DNA has a 'sugar' backbone. Your molecule is H and C and O .... formation of such molecules is no mystery and certainly doesn't require 'guidance'.

  Lastly, it is a weak argument to follow science and it's 100+ years only ,of explanation and new understanding (even less in years with modern physics and chemistry) then at the point where we are at, awaiting an understanding, say.... "Aha God does it!" That is illogical and reduces God to the latest thing to be understood and when it is understood, makes him/her/it simply more impotent and invisible.

  Humans once concluded thunder was god pissed off...... rainbows were God promising to never be pissed off again.... 🙄........

  
  

  Scientists do not see a gap in knowledge and then without evidence insert a complex, all powerful and jealous deity as the likely explanation.

  That is not science. Not logical. Not intelligent. Not helpful. Not an answer. Not evidence of said assumed deity.

  
  

  The dark ages were called dark for a reason....
  
  

  
  
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   Having No Political Opinion Is Bull Crap

  by Ame SF in

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  hello, i'm ame and after such heartwarming feedback last time from my other topic sharing my current situation, i felt the urge to just share an experience of mine that accrued a few weeks ago.. i was at mcdonalds with my mother and little brother, eating our food and in the background was the news playing on the tvs they had in the dining area.

  and what were they talking about on the news?.

  gun control.. now, i love the news.

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  I'm addicted to politics. I remember the PO taking me aside when I was about 21 yrs old because I watched Question Time (uk politics show) and was engrossed In politics,

  I love predicting the chess moves these sneaky 'movers and shakers' make and even more fun, predicting/guessing mass human behaviour and reaction.

  It's so interesting and fascinating. I visited Westminster this last weekend. Democracy is not perfect, but it's better than the past attempts at managing human actions and it's somehow beautiful.

  Get stuck into politics, it's exciting times (.....no it's not Armageddon coming!)

  snare X
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  JW's going all Nacho Libre on idols...

  by snare&racket in

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  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/29/mayonhika-otomi-damaged-jehovahs-witnesses-mexico.

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  snare&racket

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/29/mayonhika-otomi-damaged-jehovahs-witnesses-mexico
  
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  I've been found out!

  by pale.emperor in

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  well, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.

  someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.

  i just feel sad for my daughter.

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  snare&racket

  Dude, it will be the best thing that ever happened to you.

  
  

  Not necessarily a snitch, may have an elder or local that put 2+2 together from your posts and their conscience / hierarchical elitism got the better of them.

  Either way, trust me,,best thing to happen to you and your daughter.

  No more living the lie. TRUST ME, you have no idea how jealous whoever reported you is, you are out now, free...... Welcome to your life my friend 😉

  S&R
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  Why Are You Here?

  by Believer in

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  i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

  as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

  as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

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  snare&racket

  It's a big planet with lots of people.... Few of them know what a kingdom melody is or remembers what an S-8 form did or who Judge Rutherford was (no he isn't a WWF wrestler).... Even fewer humans on this planet have the experience of leaving such a belief system behind and those that do lose everyone and sometimes everything.

  It's quite the unique experience.

  Here we share it with others. Here we are not odd-balls with cult baggage.

  Here we are survivors.

  Here we drop messages as we rebuild and move on.

  
  
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  Should I just tell my parents

  by BlackWolf in

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  lately i've been feeling just so fed up with this stupid religion i really can't take it anymore!

  i'm starting to think that maybe i should just tell my parents how i really feel.

  if they treat me too badly or kick me out i could probably stay with my non jw aunt.. ive just reached my breaking point, i don't really care what people think of me anymore.

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  Just remember you are the normal, healthy one in amongst a sea of brainwashed and scared individuals.

  It is VERY important you realise that this is very serious, these people do not mess about. Shunning is for REAL and for LIFE.

  If I was you, work hard at school. Get into university/college. Slowly drift out the JW's the whole time. This way you get to enjoy college, be independent, have a future and a career if you work hard and it all buys you time to establish independence.

  Maybe your aunt could be a really useful safety net for all this X