your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Nature is the most famous scientific journal sources known.
Kate......No offence, you could not have done any credible chemistry education and not know that.
You really should retract everything you have said so as to not unfairly confuse people looking for sincere answers. You have diverted them from reliable sources and introduced issues long sho resolved.
Again, I'm blown away by your comments on Nature, it probably has the highest impact factor of all peer reviewed journals.
the altitude problem.
mt.
everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.
Or he didn't exist .....
or he didn't say those things.....
or he was just a man......
my heart goes out for all people stuck in all high control groups, either with insight into the falsehood of their beliefs or none.. to remain a member whilst knowing it false however, must be soul destroying.. my question is, would you carry on living the lie if you discovered that we get one life, one go at existing.
it's short, it's fragile and nobody in 100 years will care we even existed..... .......if you came to that realisation would you quit?.
.......if you had children, would you leave in order to set them an example in strength and appreciation of the short time we enjoy?.
My heart goes out for all people stuck in all high control groups, either with insight into the falsehood of their beliefs or none.
To remain a member whilst knowing it false however, must be soul destroying.
My question is, would you carry on living the lie if you discovered that we get one life, one go at existing. It's short, it's fragile and nobody in 100 years will care we even existed....
.......if you came to that realisation would you quit to go LIVE ?
.......if you had children, would you leave In order to set them an example in strength and appreciation of the short time we enjoy?
one of the things i often wonder about at the meetings is how many of these people are actually living a lie or sinning in secret?
and more importantly, how do these ones stomach it?
in my case, i have secretly dated and done things disapproved by the wt with a pioneer sister in my congregation for years and we both go to the same meeting twice a week and pretend everything is perfect and nothing has happened.
When I think back now, there were clearly many married young guys, elders wives even elders who had not only internal conflict, but fallen to the side of 'false' in weighing up the 'truth'.
It all seems so obvious now. Those melancholic, quiet members of the cong who everyone judged, but were lovely people.
the altitude problem.
mt.
everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.
Wow, I come back years on and the same people are making the same bizzare stands and claims. In that time you could have got a degree in a scientific field and defended your view empirically and changed the world.......if the rest of science is wrong and YOU are right.....
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
As an aside, the same process that gives us evolution and diversity.....gives us cancer. But I assume nobody (outside of the USA) wants to state God guides that?
the altitude problem.
mt.
everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.
Dude..... Any child could tell you It didn't happen. Chill.
so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.
how about criminal fraud if they come across it.
assault on a congregant?.
Any crime. It's a crime! .......and they claim to be religious leaders, Christians.
See Islam has sharia law, Catholics have the Canon law and JW's have the elders book. The brainwashing leads to an elders book trumping the law of the land! So much so a post is titled .....what crime should elders report?
In reality ALL JW's should report all crimes!
obviously, there is common sense and ethics involved in doing this. But serious crimes should be reported for civil sake!
No elder would deny calling the police for a murder in the congregation or a rape... Child rape however they take their time and ask questions, hold back....speak to lawyers and decide not to as they are not 'obliged'. However they are welcome to and it is not improper to do so.
Crime has a victim. Elders and JW's tend to weigh up the damage to the victim and the damage to the Watchtower brand, this calculation alone leads to whether they call or not.
very long story.
i've been away from this site for a while.. basically, i tried to leave.
handed in my disassociation letter, it kicked up a storm and 2 weeks later i was disfellowshipped.
The best thing you can do for that daughter, is go be a good, decent, happy, informed, successful human being outside the JW's. Such people exist everywhere in there millions and prove the JW's wrong. Your daughter seeing this will have the JW spell broken.
Living a lie.....is no way to show your child how to live!
Think back to what you wanted to be, wanted to do. You are free now. Go do it!
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Life is good. Busy working hard.
Just been accepted for GP training, plan to do A&E and GP for the rest of my life.
Its heavy going, in last 6 days did a night, three days then two nights. All 13-14hrs long, I have another two weeks of that before I start A&E in Cornwall.
Not complaining however, love it!
Hope you are well and happy X
