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  Shark Evolution

  by metatron in

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  http://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.

  i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..

  that's not the case, however.

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  Because google doesn't work like that..... it found all the articles with sharks and evolved and more in them.

  Did you bother to look at or read the results? "Sharks are more evolved than we thought"... i.e. the changes in nature were more influential than expected

  "Scientists have previously theorised that the structure of sharks gills had remained unchanged since the emergence of the creatures 400m years ago, long before the arrival of dinosaurs."

  "“This challenges the longstanding view that modern sharks have preserved an unchanged ancestral condition, and indicates that modern sharks have acquired features stemming from evolutionary innovation."

  Maybe next time tbe arsed to read what you link and post !! This proves you even more wrong about evolution.... you are posting evidence for it now.
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  An important difference between atheists and true believers

  by Hortensia in

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  true believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.

  atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.

  http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).

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  Band....that was almost comical

  "You are discussing a fragment....Broad statements need proof.....it is a stereotype."

  and then lol....

  "Atheists on this forum are relentless in their bid to shame believers and win converts."

  Ignoring your description of a moral high ground then ironically jumping right off it, what exactly are atheists converting people to? I agree they when first become atheists often want to tell everyone the proof they have seen, but convert? To non belief? It doesn't make sense.

  Seth Andrews an evangelical minister and radio host for a christian radio show, became an atheist alone in his family and surroundings and called it a de-conversion. I would agree that atheists have a motive to deconvert......but not to convert ! They DON'T have beliefs in any movement, god, religion..... unless you want to make broad statments and stereotype....based on an ignorant external view.
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

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  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  There is only one group of people that believe it..... I suggest you read Franz's chapter on looking for 607 evidence.

  Also I remember the Brithish Museul had the Babylonian Tablets, one labeled ABC5 had reference to its destruction.
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  An important difference between atheists and true believers

  by Hortensia in

  1. social
  2. current

  true believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.

  atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.

  http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).

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  Some atheists do want to convert people too, Ithink many ex christians go through an evangelical atheist stage.

  It is ironically human evolution, xenephobia has us all wanting to be in the same tribe, all safely doing, thinking and acting in the same way.

  Human behaviour is NO guidance on truth or even what is arguably right or wrong. All we have is evidence.

  I truly believe the one and only difference between atheists and believers is which side of the fence they fall on....

  Comfort or Evidence

  Anyone saying they have both is lying.
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  Shark Evolution

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.

  i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..

  that's not the case, however.

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  Frankie I got a distinction in A level physics (not much but someting) and my friend is an astro-physicist at Edinburgh university....... what you said.... wasn't true based on what we know possible now.

  If you have evidence of it being true, just as all other facts/truth/science you are required to provide it.

  Otherwise it is just an idea you are putting forward.....which is fine.....but expect to be questioned and asked for evidence.

  I know it seems like many science favourable people here are anal on wanting proof and evidence on every small thing.... but that is because we know what happened when we decided to just let things go, without the evidence and just accept them or assume it could be true/might be true.... you end up a JW for 25 years.

  Let's all just stick to the most honest stance we can make. What er have evidence for and nothing more. Conjecture is fine, but that is all it is...

  By the way I purposefully never said SCIENCE is the only mechanism of persuasion, I specifically said..... evidence is required. Though I only trust the scientific method, for a means to analyse truth, i appreciate some do not, some do not even know about it. Still the minimum required beyond opinion is evidence. IF the opinion comes from someone unqualified in what they speak.... well you can imagine how much weight most would have in it and just how much evidence would be required.

  There is no disrespect intended....I am sure you would agree......Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence....
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  Shark Evolution

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.

  i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..

  that's not the case, however.

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  The irony is, evolution has no connection to atheism or belief.

  Anyone thinking it SERIOSULY misunderstands it. All evolution does is explain the influences on species adaptation over time. That is all it does. The EVIDENCE makes clear that genes and the enviroment influence how species change.

  THAT IS IT. No more. Nothing to do with a god, nothing to do with how life began on earth. Nothing to do with the big bang. Nothing to do with history and carbon dating... we see it happening now! YOU can see it happening now. But you dont even know what IT is.....

  So when RELIGIOUS people go nuts about evolution, they don't realise THEY are the ones making it an issue. Here on this forum, in the last few weeks we have discussed cosmology, astronomy, physics, chemistry and evolution. But the religious attack the evolution thread because TO THEM it is an issue. It is YOUR beliefs being proved wrong IF you say evolution is false. But if you decide to stand by it.... great. Good for you. But it has nothing to do with athiests.

  Half of scientists believe in god and evolution, the pope believes in evolution, the head of the HUMAN DNA project believes in god and helped proved evolution true beyond doubt.

  You are in a pit of ignorance as I was AND it is your fault if you don't read these facts and decide to educate yourself!!!!

  If you associate evolution with atheism, if you think evolutionary believers are militaristic and aggresive....... know you are talking about 97% of sceintists with half of them being believers in your god !

  snare

  P.s. Just to be clear, my motives in discussing evolution is based on how ignorant I was due to the lies I was told as a JW. I simply tell and signpost people to the information I wish I had access to so I... could decide for myself ! People come here and attack a scientific hypothesis without even being able to explain the hypothesis and it is embarassing, frustrating and highly irresponsible!!!
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  Family of 4 in Miami FL Partakes

  by James Jackson in

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  kendall lakes congregation (miami fl usa), partook of the emblems.

  he is an elder(40), his wife and their 2 daughters (21 &19), all 4 are also regular pioneers.

  another 6 pioneers in that congregation partook of the emblems..

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  I am an atheist, with that said.....

  Maybe they just read the bible....... most JW's don't. It clearly says everyone should keep doing it and all partakers were not anointed in that upper room according to JW teaching. I am suprised it does not get asked more.

  This being said, any interaction with a deity such as an anointing is by all standards a 'miracle' event. I hope for those kids sake, they are mentally strong, because unless they can one day admit their mistake, like many ex JW anointed, they will spend their life trying to explain why told people they experienced a miracle by god.
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  136th Gilead Class Graduates-JW.Org

  by Brother Mike in

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  2. experiences

  i just found this video they released on their official website.

  sorry if this was already posted.

  (if not i thought some might have some thoughts about it).

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  Take a peak..... ex gilead missionary....

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5fqZ2_LzGE
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  Why are JWs so afraid of apostates?

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are jws so afraid of apostates?

  their view of apostates seems to be out of the realm of the ordinary, the natural.

  its as if the words of apostates are supernatual or spiritistic as if apostates are some kind of jedi knights who can slightly wave their hands or twitch their eyes and bring one under a spell.

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  They have been trained to be fearful of ANY opposing views, so much so I have seen people change the channel on David Attenborough for daring to disagree with 8 window cleaners in Brooklyn....

  Never mind the independantt thinking man/woman/teen who dares to walk away from the GB and Watchtower for REASONS.

  They are scared to death that they may hear the reasons, that is all it is. As WT has said for decades..... that SEED can ferment and grow!

  When in reality, truth by nature of it being TRUTH cannot be proven false.

  However.....what is false can be proven to be not 'the truth'
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  Brooklyn Factory Signs

  by Band on the Run in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know a good location for taking photos of the wt factory building with the clock?

  i could see it well from 140 broadway, where the red cube sculpture is.

  i was on a high floor, though.

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  Indeed.....