some days ago two elders visited my sister because she has not been attending the meetings more than one year.
this time she prepared notes containing watchtower past teachings about the blood ban so as to ask them for those changes, and it seems that the elders were also prepared for her past questions.
for instance she showed them that "albumin" was considered "under scriptural ban" in 1956 (read the page 20 of awake, september 8).
Jesus broke laws punishable by death....to heal people, he even asked....who of you wouldnt break the law to save a lamb?
If people want to believe in the bible, the answer to the blood transfusion issue is in the verses. Not that the bible isn't full of contradictions, it is.. but who are the 8 window cleaners in HQ to decide which verses have more legitimacy, the OT or the NT.
what would make a man throw away all his earthly riches to expose the cult?
what did ray franz have to gain by leaving in total poverty?
if ray franz had stayed in place, he could have lived like a god, why did he leave?
He knew they were translating verses incorrectly and were lying about history (607 bce) etc. He spoke up, he was slapped down and told to shut up, he didn't...
as a jw were taught all about demons but i never had an incident.
my wife believes wholeheartedly says her family including her has had problems with them.
i have met people that even non religious people that say they have experienced a ghost or a spirit.
I believe nothing I hear and half of what I see....
Never seen any evidence for demons, ghosts and spirits so it would be delusional for me to believe in them.
a thank you for the effort and time peoole gave you would be nice :D x
let's be technical.
the bronze age ended in 1200 bce in devoloped places and later ... aroun 900-800 in other places.
indeed read 1 samuel 13's ending.. the bible was produced not one tiny bit in the bronze age.
NotNew, though it was written down in the Iron age, the beliefs are bronze age, i.e. monotheism, man woman and snake, sacrifice blood for forgivness, flood story etc etc
let's be technical.
the bronze age ended in 1200 bce in devoloped places and later ... aroun 900-800 in other places.
indeed read 1 samuel 13's ending.. the bible was produced not one tiny bit in the bronze age.
No..YOU get it right, nobody says the bible is bronze age, in reference to christianity ..."Bronze Age beliefs"...is commonly used.
The bible is plagirism of bronze age beliefs... with new names and locations.
my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
Smart prople know there is nothing to understand.
I am loving the irony with this melon, the broad stroke assumptions, the ever changing signature, the myopic blindness evident in a member that can't see independant thinking or intelligence in a forum of people that against the odds left a cult, the unrestrained rambling and disjointed sentences....
....and yet they chose the name FOCUS....
it happened to one of my friends.
what do you think of the guy's behavior?.
a girl and a guy are coworkers.
infatuation maybe a hint of lust.....but not love, love doesn't care about beliefs or rules or consequence.
i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.
so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?
i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !
Truth and lies is interesting, there is no absoloute right or wrong with the truth and with lies...also it is about perspective, we called a huge lie 'the truth' for quite some time and believed it......but now we don't. As for me saying there is no right and wrong, we can all think of examples where to lie is right and to tell the truth is wrong.
Truth and lies are grounded in what is beneficial for us as a species. Is it beneficial to be told that it is ok to drink poison? Is it beneficial for the prolongation of your genes to say your wifes gluteus maximum looks enlarged in her jeans?
I appreciate the level above that, the level of evidence and absoloute truths, such as the earth DOES go around the sun, but with so few known and evidential truths, we have to decide on a compass for truth and lies, by the numbers it is better to tell the truth because it is more likely to be helpful to know the truth in a situation, but sometimes it is less emotionally appropriate to tell the truth.
Anyone agree/disagree?
mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.
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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.
What a shameful organisation we once had our names and lives attached to.
By their fruits......
Rotten to the core.
