Posts by snare&racket

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Do You Think President Trump Is Doing a Good Job?

by minimus in

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i think he is.

if you don’t want to put reasons for your yes or no, it’s ok. .

your vote,please?

snare&racket

He’s a horrific human being, I shudder at his inhumanity......

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tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

snare&racket

He vocalised court details that were to be legally kept confidential until after the court case. It was a contempt of court offence and he admitted to doing it on purpose afterwards.

I have watched hours of footage and documentaries on TR and he is a toss pot, who’s ideaology floats in the wind, the only anchor it has is islamaphobia.

Im an atheist, I have no loyalty to any belief system. I have always felt hid beliefs are born from fear of THE Muslim, not Muslim doctrine.

i have several close Muslim, Christian, atheist friends. The Islam and Muslim portrayal by TR is skewed, maybe spend some time to get to know people!

He knowingly acted in contempt of court and pissed off the judge. He filmed it knowing full well what would happen...... and it did. Wow, smart guy.

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Question about JW finance

by Gorbatchov in

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watched the jw finance video's.. they have sold all brooklyn landmarks.

bilions.

they are selling other property maybe up to 3000 units worldwide.. so, there is going something wrong.... there must be a giant money leak.

snare&racket

I’ve been out 13 years now (wow that’s gone quickly), my basic summary of where the finance issues are...

1. It’s cult not supported by any deity, but by donation

2. Literature and printing is financially no longer viable, even for businesses that charge for their product. Printed literature and global distribution is far too expensive now. Everything is goingg and will go online.

3. The Watchtower had invested heavily in the stock market, the 2008 crash hurt them and they halted expansion/projects soon after and started selling property.

4. Court cases for child rape have become costly, with courts finding that the Watchtower itself is guilty of endangering children to known abusers after hearing of incidents and not acting.

5. Events such as Russia’s government seizing all JW property.

6. JW’s have become financially challenged, largely due to WT doctrine on education and careers. Unlike previous JW generations, they clearly don’t donate as they used to. Assemblies were once moneymakers, with J.w’s forced to buy WT meals with WT tokens/credit. They would pay a fortune for WT approved car parks, despite the huge arena venues already having ‘free’ car parking as part of their venue hire cost.

7. Watchtower tried to scam congregations into borrowing and paying back credit on interest. My family worked on the RBC purchasing team. Everything ordered was SO expensive for a new hall or refurbishment. You couldn’t just go and buy a mic cable, it had to be from a JW catalogue from specific suppliers with a marked up price in the WT price list. The sound equipment and furniture was ridiculously expensive and for no reason......seemingly. The money was borrowed from HQ and paid back with interest. This became a mo they giving scheme from every congregation, with all finances handed over to WT. It was decades of KH savings taken overnight. Amounts of money that would go a long way in local finances, but no distance in international publishing.

Teh WT decided to sell the KH’s and squash several congs back into one hall, selling off the new halls of the 90’s, 00’s. This pissed off JW’s a lot. All of this was short term thinking, because once you take all the local assets, sell the halls and make the congs share like they did in the 80’s..... it’s hard to argue you NEED money or that ?God is blessing your activity.

8. The WT doctrine promises, still appeal. But not to western developed ‘lands’. JW expansion is limited and minimal growth is taking place in impoverished lands. The WT invests little time, attention or finance in these regions of the world, because they get little back.

9. If you had to propose a business/financial strategy for the future of WT, what would you do? What could you do? They are boxed in by doctrine and decades old arguments such as “we will know when we lose gods approval as we will need to beg for money...”

They have justified making literature free by lying. They said it was to fulfill scripture “come take life’s water free...” but in reality it was for tax and charity status reasons. They can’t reverse that.

i see maybe a minimal monthly financial donation ....aka....subscription for online access coming. The printing presses will scream to a halt soon enough.

But will the WT financially survive?....... let’s see. I think not.

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I've graduated at last

by fulltimestudent in

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after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.

(the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).

award : bachelor of arts.

snare&racket

Congratulations!

Education, education, education!

I’m very jealous of the topics you have studied, I would love to know more about history.

Well done, be proud!

There is life after Watchtower, endless roads, decisions and futures to pick from!

Enjoy your success 😉

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Anybody in the North West area of England?

by NyxOfTartarus in

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would be nice to know if there is anyone from here attending the assembly in manchester this coming weekend?.

snare&racket

I used to attend NYNEX/MEN and helped restore Northendon.

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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?

by pale.emperor in

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so lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.

but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.

snare&racket

OP

So don’t buy it.........

Its like walking past a poster saying guitar lessons and shouting out loud “I do t want to learn the guitar!” The poster isn’t for you. The book isn’t for you.

Write your own pamphlet to give away for free and it may help people looking for exactly that 😉.

Ex JW life is difficult enough without judging each other. He’s hardy selling kids into slavery, he’s writing a flipping book 🙄

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You Know You're in the Wrong Religion When....

by Vanderhoven7 in

just thought a review the following material many have contributed to might be helpful .

you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in 1919?"2.

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When they attempt to explain that the god of the universe needs money.... and promptly too !

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Sincere question to those who no longer believe in God

by nowwhat? in

i get it, not a fan of yahweh the desert god.

but what about jesus?

anything wrong with his teachings like the sermon on the mount and the example he set.

snare&racket

A faithful and discreet slave who looks after his masters belongings even if his master isn’t around. The slave that doesn’t? An evil slave.

How about slavery being evil?

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Jw.org

by jdash in

so i have the username and password to my grandfathers jw.org account - who is an elder.

.

just incase, you guys would want something i could try to get it to you..

snare&racket

It’s illegal to access computer data that is not yours to access.

We may not be JW’s anymore but we still have morals and a conscience and respect for law.

Also we respect the JW’s right to their beliefs and logistics.

If the owner of the account was leaking information, that’s their decision and conscience (I’m all for leaking and whilstle blowing if necessary).

I really don’t think you should hand out those details.

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How do we Avoid...becoming Intellectually Dishonest?

by TerryWalstrom in

intellectual honesty: "i am willing to be wrong when facts go against cherished beliefs.".

are you willing to be wrong?.

without a willingness to be wrong (who can always be right?

snare&racket

Interesting topic.

I find the most sincere way to be intellectually honest about a topic, is to genuinely attempt to defend all sides of the argument.

As a thought experiment if there was option A and B to an intellectual issue and I naturally side with A, I will imagine defending B as if in a court case or debate to the best of my ability so as to ensure I am siding with data and not self deceit.

This is why relying on other people for information and a source of data is so dangerous, be it a loved one, an elder or a GB member in Warwick, you don’t know their biases. You know your own, so look at the information and decide for yourself.

I know that I have a natural tendency to have a bias for data and information that is interesting and unique (I work as a doctor), so when I come across data that excited my interest due to its unexpected/interesting outcome I try to be especially weary. What can I say, I was born in the 80’s it was hip to be square 😉