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  My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side

  by Kosonen in

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  brothers and sisters associated with the watchtower society may 9, 2020. i have tried to inform you of the necessary adjustments you ought to take in order to truly be in the truth.

  but my efforts have remained fruitless.

  you well know the biblical procedure.

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  I'm sad for you, sincerely, that you think they would give this a seconds thought.

  These men decide the doctrines and interpretations, they know how ambiguous it all is.

  They don't care.

  They wan't continuity and to keep their authority.
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  Does prophesy negate free will?

  by Tim207 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

  i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

  to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

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  What did you eat for breakfast today? What colour socks did you put on? What was your first words spoken?

  if we pressed rewind and wiped your memory and pressed play, letting you 'free' to make those choices over again, what would you eat, pick, say?

  The most logical answer is you would pick the same breakfast.... the INFLUENCES that led you to 'banana pancake' the first time around would lesd you to the exact same choice every time. The same events would lead to you saying the same first words.

  We may hate to admit it, but logically, we ride a wave of influences and our 'choices' were always going to take place.... most interestingly..... from external influence sources.

  We are not delving into a mythical psyche to ask what socks to wear, the many influences from cultural to chemical to experiential etc..... that led your mood, preference, and availability to picking 'fluffy orange' were all external.

  I see no evidence for free will.......

  Which is most ironically not what my free will would prefer....
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  Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

  by AlainAlam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

  now some of you still believe in the bible.

  to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

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  snare&racket

  You let them decide.

  You let them ask you.

  Then you say, "What if .....the truth about WT leaves you depressed and pained with regret and lost. We both know there is a lot to lose"

  Then you don't tell them outright anything. It will be so tempting when they ask "like what?" Think about it deeply, your own experience, what takes months to research in person is powerful and visceral. If summarised in 3 minutes, it can be ignored and forgotten in 3 minutes. I've done it myself, a nuclear explosion of anti J.w logic and evidence, presented too easy to digest, too succinctly, they can hit 'ignore' in their mind for those two minutes with ease, distracted with an excuse they are desperate to fire back, so much so they ignore your point entirely. The ministry has taught them to argue well, not reason well! If you could easily reason with a JW..... there would be no JW's!

  Point them into the direction of their own research. Let them feel the visceral emotions of discovering TTATT, because once you do, you can never go back. It's impossible! Its like trying to pretend Santa exists at 53 yrs old.

  "You can only know your own motives, not the motives of anyone telling you anything. You don't even know mine, though I know they are good, I seek the TRUTH only, you must do the same for yourself! Don't trust anyone, including me! I can save you time by pointing you in the right direction for data and topics worth exploring, but only if you wish. If you prove me wrong, ill come back to WT."

  Be careful to think you can sling information at them and de-convert them. I have attempted this, they have answers for everything and a god that can magic any answer. They have already spent years, decades ....developing cognitive dissonance, your reasoning may dent their armour, but they self constructed that armour with the motive to protect their own beliefs. They have invested so much time, money, life into this. They have made marriage, child, career, family, future decisions bases on these beliefs....they are invested HARD. For years they have ignored their OWN minds, ignoring yours will come easy.

  This is all achievable however it requires different approaches for differing people. I have helped several people leave, all have been wildly different. Only theme was.... let them do it.
  

  Lastly, be careful what you wish for,....I had two close friends who insisted I tell them why I was leaving the JW's. They both went into a mega depression. One came out more brainwashed than ever. The other, he remains very unwell and depressed 15 years on, both still J.w's.
  
  
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  3M Corporation-- You are Absolutely DISGUSTING - I hope you are sitting down when reading this

  by RubaDub in

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  i was watching the local news in the background and i heard a guy talking about 3m and how florida was getting screwed.

  i didn't hear the whole report.. later, i was switching through the channels and i saw the same guy talking to tucker carlson (fox news).

  come to find out he is the federal cdc equivalent at the state level.

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  My fitted mask at work (UK NHS) is 3M.... more please 👏....

  European companies sell medical equipment globally. China makes most of the ventilators. Trump just accepted a huge donation from Russia, NY a donation from China.

  Be weary of only wanting to look after yourself when the world is on fire.
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  is this real? Wife got an email from here group elder about daily check in's

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this elder is super brainwashed, as is his wife.

  she actually made a comment that she wished antmo 3 was her dad and that he is so cool.

  oh my god, i threw up in my mouth.

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  I would argue that they have been reading this forum and have seen posts on how the distance during lockdown may do the brainwashed some good.

  Daily phone calls would be if they cared about their 'sheep'.... yet they didn't happen until now and likely won't continue once their 'GT' is over in 3 months.

  Great Tribulation.... it will be when Armageddon doesn't come.... AGAIN.

  🙄
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  Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

  as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

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  Do you have any proof that Jim Jones had bad intent?.......... indeed.
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  The 8 G.B. members - just LIARS, or are they an EVIL SOURCE?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm only quoting the org's force-fed "food at the proper time" which friends and family had to swallow!.

  it-2 p. 1027 spiritism - "and in the christian greek scriptures the statement is made that those who practice spiritism “will not inherit god’s kingdom.” (gal.

  5:20, 21; rev.

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  Mehhh who cares ...... is it worth time and effort? ... It's all guff!

  Go watch Tiger King!
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  Coronavirus Positive

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all,.

  i'm day six of isolation, confirmed to have coronavirus.

  i have been seeing very sick cv positive patients over the last month in my a&e role (emergency physician) it was inevitable i would contract it.. just wanted to give some symptom and treatment advice, it's anecdotal but may help.. started as sore throat and headache, then croaky voice, then dry cough, then episodic transient fevers, all this over the first few days.

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  snare&racket

  Hi everybody,

  Apologies, I am day 10 and getting better. Still being cautious as this is the dangerous time period.

  My sense of taste and smell are still gone, I am still mildly congested, I get an occasional episode of fever and cough, but 100% going in the right direction.

  Still feel a little fatigued, but again, all improving.

  I just want to get back to work now!

  Thank you for your kind support and care, you are an important community to me.

  Snare x
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  Coronavirus Positive

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all,.

  i'm day six of isolation, confirmed to have coronavirus.

  i have been seeing very sick cv positive patients over the last month in my a&e role (emergency physician) it was inevitable i would contract it.. just wanted to give some symptom and treatment advice, it's anecdotal but may help.. started as sore throat and headache, then croaky voice, then dry cough, then episodic transient fevers, all this over the first few days.

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  @the fall guy

  Now I see your insincere agenda by your posts and reply to mine asking about flights.

  No you have not cracked a global conspiracy, it is well know that international flights persist and continue to get people to their countries of residence. I had family return from abroad on Sunday.

  It is summarised well here;

  https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/travel/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-travel-updates-which-countries-have-restrictions-and-fco-warnings-in-place

  For those that don’t follow @the fall guys posts about the COVID19 being hype and a conspiracy, I passed on my personal experience from tonight. My partner is a nurse in charge in a U.K. city university hospital. She is half way through her night shift and tonight they have intubated more people in her half shift than they do in an average year.

  Healthy adults, children, doctor and nurses and healthcare staff are dying!

  This conspiracy bullshit is offensive!

  You aren’t one step ahead of the illuminati or everyone else! The JW’s do not offer special knowledge about life’s mysteries and neither does the internet!

  Your words may cost lives, the most dangerous thing about offering opinion is that people may listen! This applies to you too!
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  Coronavirus Positive

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all,.

  i'm day six of isolation, confirmed to have coronavirus.

  i have been seeing very sick cv positive patients over the last month in my a&e role (emergency physician) it was inevitable i would contract it.. just wanted to give some symptom and treatment advice, it's anecdotal but may help.. started as sore throat and headache, then croaky voice, then dry cough, then episodic transient fevers, all this over the first few days.

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  @newsheep

  Tests have shown that people dying with CV19 still have the virus propagating and shedding even after passing away.

  Dead bodies remain contagious. Loved ones can’t say goodbye and can’t even see the body in person.

  As an aside, this means that CV19 +ve patient organs can’t be used for donation which is another tragic element to this disease. I read that bodies have remained contagious up to 32days + and obviously for organ transplant they need to be obtained immediately after passing away.

  This virus is not to be taken lightly, it is no conspiracy, it is no media hype or staged political agenda. The virus has no prejudice and is so very real.