Posts by snare&racket

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Why Do Intelligent People Still Believe In The Jehovah’s Witness Religion?

by minimus in

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friends

i understand it’s a cult.

but what makes an intelligent person actually believe they have the “truth” as taught by jehovah’s witnesses??

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Treating JW's with Convalescent Blood Products

by Lee Elder in

this is potentially life saving information.

please spread the word.. http://ajwrb.org/treating-jehovahs-witness-covid-19-patients-with-convalescent-blood-products.

treating jehovah’s witness covid-19 patients with convalescent blood products.

Firstly, just something that immediately stood out as unsubstantiated, there is no evidence that COVID 19 is " reportedly taking a heavy toll among JW’s." Be careful what you write if you want to be taken seriously, especially right now. The virus has likely genetic prejudices, but non faith based.

The biggest issue "Implementing this treatment will likely require cooperation with a blood bank processing convalescent plasma to take the additional step of separating the plasma into the separate products of cryoprecipitate and cryosupernatant..."

As someone that interacts with blood bank often, this is an absurd ask. Requesting blood bank to alter the plasma is wildly unlikely, you mention it, as a casual request, It would need it's own testing/screening process before it could be used as a treatment in COVID 19.

JW's arrive with pre-filled advanced directives with what they will accept and any attempt at the bedside to discuss biology/medicine often goes exactly as you imagine it would.

The patients requiring this treatment are tending to arrive incredibly unwell and require acute intubation, leaving their treatment options to the NOK to decide. The blood/blood product debacle of the JW's is difficult to comprehend and dissect at the best of times, in an emergency, it is unlikely to bend, especially via the NOK who will not want to break the religious confidences of their sick loved one.

I think your motives and efforts are admirable, to ask people to disseminate this to hospitals is ill advised however.

The autonomy of the individual trump's all. They will accept and decline treatments as per their conscience. Hospitals have HLC's that JW's may opt to introduce into their care is they so wish. I would never advocate that they introduce untrained, unqualified religious figures to aid in clinical decision making, Informed autonomy should be patient based and it is for the patient to research and decide ALWAYS, if having capacity.

Me telling a patient what they can and can't have as per doctrine, is no different to WT telling them what they can and can't have. It is a doctrinal game I would never play.

At the end of the day, JW's are not interested in the biology, the medicine, the science. They are only interested in what WT say's is true and acceptable.

I am not WT.

The hospitals are not WT

Write to WT if you want them to discuss this with JW's. Doctors are not ministers and hospitals will never take on the roll of religious advisors. You are asking that we try to convince using WT literature that they can have a product (not yet provided anywhere) even if they think they can't.

Isolated cases may prove fruitful but in the middle of a pandemic, this is not the duty of an already stretched healthcare system.

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Dating Advice

by Youngaposthate in

as a young person who hasn't had lots of experience in the dating game, what would ex jws recommend with all these severed relationship ties from family.

what are the do's and dont's.

snare&racket

Maybe get to know yourself first and in the meantime see what life brings.

Don't over think it.

The key is to be yourself, but if you are young and recently out of the JW's then mission one is to 'know thyself'....

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My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side

by Kosonen in

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friends

brothers and sisters associated with the watchtower society may 9, 2020. i have tried to inform you of the necessary adjustments you ought to take in order to truly be in the truth.

but my efforts have remained fruitless.

you well know the biblical procedure.

snare&racket

I'm sad for you, sincerely, that you think they would give this a seconds thought.

These men decide the doctrines and interpretations, they know how ambiguous it all is.

They don't care.

They wan't continuity and to keep their authority.

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Does prophesy negate free will?

by Tim207 in

not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

snare&racket

What did you eat for breakfast today? What colour socks did you put on? What was your first words spoken?

if we pressed rewind and wiped your memory and pressed play, letting you 'free' to make those choices over again, what would you eat, pick, say?

The most logical answer is you would pick the same breakfast.... the INFLUENCES that led you to 'banana pancake' the first time around would lesd you to the exact same choice every time. The same events would lead to you saying the same first words.

We may hate to admit it, but logically, we ride a wave of influences and our 'choices' were always going to take place.... most interestingly..... from external influence sources.

We are not delving into a mythical psyche to ask what socks to wear, the many influences from cultural to chemical to experiential etc..... that led your mood, preference, and availability to picking 'fluffy orange' were all external.

I see no evidence for free will.......

Which is most ironically not what my free will would prefer....

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Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

by AlainAlam in

jw
friends

how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

now some of you still believe in the bible.

to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

snare&racket

You let them decide.

You let them ask you.

Then you say, "What if .....the truth about WT leaves you depressed and pained with regret and lost. We both know there is a lot to lose"

Then you don't tell them outright anything. It will be so tempting when they ask "like what?" Think about it deeply, your own experience, what takes months to research in person is powerful and visceral. If summarised in 3 minutes, it can be ignored and forgotten in 3 minutes. I've done it myself, a nuclear explosion of anti J.w logic and evidence, presented too easy to digest, too succinctly, they can hit 'ignore' in their mind for those two minutes with ease, distracted with an excuse they are desperate to fire back, so much so they ignore your point entirely. The ministry has taught them to argue well, not reason well! If you could easily reason with a JW..... there would be no JW's!

Point them into the direction of their own research. Let them feel the visceral emotions of discovering TTATT, because once you do, you can never go back. It's impossible! Its like trying to pretend Santa exists at 53 yrs old.

"You can only know your own motives, not the motives of anyone telling you anything. You don't even know mine, though I know they are good, I seek the TRUTH only, you must do the same for yourself! Don't trust anyone, including me! I can save you time by pointing you in the right direction for data and topics worth exploring, but only if you wish. If you prove me wrong, ill come back to WT."

Be careful to think you can sling information at them and de-convert them. I have attempted this, they have answers for everything and a god that can magic any answer. They have already spent years, decades ....developing cognitive dissonance, your reasoning may dent their armour, but they self constructed that armour with the motive to protect their own beliefs. They have invested so much time, money, life into this. They have made marriage, child, career, family, future decisions bases on these beliefs....they are invested HARD. For years they have ignored their OWN minds, ignoring yours will come easy.

This is all achievable however it requires different approaches for differing people. I have helped several people leave, all have been wildly different. Only theme was.... let them do it.

Lastly, be careful what you wish for,....I had two close friends who insisted I tell them why I was leaving the JW's. They both went into a mega depression. One came out more brainwashed than ever. The other, he remains very unwell and depressed 15 years on, both still J.w's.

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3M Corporation-- You are Absolutely DISGUSTING - I hope you are sitting down when reading this

by RubaDub in

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friends

i was watching the local news in the background and i heard a guy talking about 3m and how florida was getting screwed.

i didn't hear the whole report.. later, i was switching through the channels and i saw the same guy talking to tucker carlson (fox news).

come to find out he is the federal cdc equivalent at the state level.

snare&racket

My fitted mask at work (UK NHS) is 3M.... more please 👏....

European companies sell medical equipment globally. China makes most of the ventilators. Trump just accepted a huge donation from Russia, NY a donation from China.

Be weary of only wanting to look after yourself when the world is on fire.

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is this real? Wife got an email from here group elder about daily check in's

by goingthruthemotions in

so this elder is super brainwashed, as is his wife.

she actually made a comment that she wished antmo 3 was her dad and that he is so cool.

oh my god, i threw up in my mouth.

snare&racket

I would argue that they have been reading this forum and have seen posts on how the distance during lockdown may do the brainwashed some good.

Daily phone calls would be if they cared about their 'sheep'.... yet they didn't happen until now and likely won't continue once their 'GT' is over in 3 months.

Great Tribulation.... it will be when Armageddon doesn't come.... AGAIN.

🙄

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

snare&racket

Do you have any proof that Jim Jones had bad intent?.......... indeed.

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The 8 G.B. members - just LIARS, or are they an EVIL SOURCE?

by The Fall Guy in

i'm only quoting the org's force-fed "food at the proper time" which friends and family had to swallow!.

it-2 p. 1027 spiritism - "and in the christian greek scriptures the statement is made that those who practice spiritism “will not inherit god’s kingdom.” (gal.

5:20, 21; rev.

snare&racket

Mehhh who cares ...... is it worth time and effort? ... It's all guff!

Go watch Tiger King!