I think DOC is right. They will work to continue to express the significance of 1914 and 607. because without those dates they have nothing. But they will link them together less and less until one day....there is no link whatsoever.....the the believe in the dates INDIVIDUALLY manages to stand on its own. The masses will still all believe whole-heartedly in the significance of those dates but without realizing the importance of linking them together. It will be just like how they unlinked the "generations" from the gentile times teaching.
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1914: Still Important to Watchtower in 2012
by leavingwt in.
98 years later, the 1914 date is still important to the watchtower organization.. .
below is a screenshot of a portion of page 19 from the may 15, 2012 watchtower magazine.. .
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1914: Still Important to Watchtower in 2012
by leavingwt in.
98 years later, the 1914 date is still important to the watchtower organization.. .
below is a screenshot of a portion of page 19 from the may 15, 2012 watchtower magazine.. .
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they believe their own lies.
I believe this. I think that the GB simply HAS TO BELIEVE. They have Roger Clemens Syndrome. Just like he has truly convinced himself that he has never taken steroids.....they have convinced themselves that they HAVE to be right. Even if it involved covering over errors, quoting out of context and suppressing evidence. These things MUST be done in the name of theorcratic warfare. It is fucked up but I think they've truly convinced themselves of this.
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The gun is the SHUN: the JW's who no longer believe but cannot leave!
by Terry inthe insidious bind the watchtower religion places on their members is unconscionable.. holding family and friends "hostage" as an extortion strategy may be their most potent weapon of enforced conformity.. .
in effect, like an armed criminal who points a gun at you and threatens "your money or your life", the watchtower leadership.
holds the power to separate dissenting members from those whom they most cherish.
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Terry.....I've said it before. Any elder will tell you that you have the "Christian Freedom" to decide for yourself whether or not witnesses have the truth. But look at the expense such "freedom" comes with? I believe very much that deciding no longer to be associated with the witnesses is very similar to deciding not to pay your property taxes or your electric bill. Yes...you have the "freedom" to make those decisions. But not paying your property taxes can result in losing your house. Not paying your electric bill can result in losing your electricity. So do you have the "freedom" to pay such expenses? Technically yes.....if you want to face those gruesome consequenses. Being a witness is no different. You have the "freedom" to disagree and walk away....but at what price?
When consequences of freedom begin to outweigh the benefits of freedom....then is it really freedom at all? Or is it a facade? A world wide, organized emotional blackmail strategy?
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More anti-apostate rhetoric from the Watchtower - are they running scared?
by cedars inyes, the may 15th watchtower is now available for download from jw.org.. the final study article, on page 26, directs another salvo at apostates - and warns witnesses not to try arguing with them on the internet:.
indeed, we ought to move as far away from wrongdoing as possible and not see how close we can get to it without being overcome by sin.
for instance, we need to guard against succumbing to apostasy, a sin that would make us unfit to glorify god.
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Dear Brothers
Listed to US and obey our teachings implicitly! If you choose not to or if you dare challenge our authority.....you are DISHONORING God!
*Please also keep in mind that we are not infallible which means that current teachings may not be correct. Regardless it is your bounden duty to HONOR God by following these teachings anyway. If you happen to disagree with a teaching of ours and we later change our teaching so that it matches your point of view....please keep in mind YOU HAVE STILL DISHONORED GOD by being right too early.
Your HUMBLE brothers,
The Governing Body
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More anti-apostate rhetoric from the Watchtower - are they running scared?
by cedars inyes, the may 15th watchtower is now available for download from jw.org.. the final study article, on page 26, directs another salvo at apostates - and warns witnesses not to try arguing with them on the internet:.
indeed, we ought to move as far away from wrongdoing as possible and not see how close we can get to it without being overcome by sin.
for instance, we need to guard against succumbing to apostasy, a sin that would make us unfit to glorify god.
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I am beginning to believe the rumors that they are drawing a line in the sand. Either you are all in or you are all out. No more fence sitters
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"9/11 was in fact....an Attack on Jehovah's Organization!!"
by RagingBull ingood day,.
this week is the super special week of activity with one of our favorite jw celebrities...the circuit overseer!!!.
in last night's talk, he gave sooooo much encouragement...just hearing him made me want to fall to my knees and worship him!
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God protected them.
Except of course for those that died that day. But for THEM.....well.....it was time and unforseen occurrence.
Watchtower double speak at its best!
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What's The Worst Thing You've Heard An Elder Say Or Do?
by minimus ini think it has to be the way they treat disfellowshipped persons.
as another thread, they simply ignore the person as if they're dead!.
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Elder 1 was on a judicial committee. Elder 2's daughter was the culprit in that committee. Elder 1 said to elder 2 "I'll go easy on her if you promise the same if you're ever in this position with one of my kids". This was coming from elder 2's daughter after elder 2 told told her about it many years later.
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What's The Worst Thing You've Heard An Elder Say Or Do?
by minimus ini think it has to be the way they treat disfellowshipped persons.
as another thread, they simply ignore the person as if they're dead!.
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"It was reported that when 9/11 happened, Brooklyn locked its doors and turned away "worldly" people who sought refuge there."
Minimus, can you substantiate this? I only ask because 6 months after the attacks, a "brother" from Bethel came to our KH to give a talk. He raved about how loving God's organization is because they opened up their doors and took in and fed all those that were fleeing across the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Elder's wives
by Zordino ini still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.
i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.
whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.
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It all comes down to the elder himself. I know of several that like to talk about others behind their backs. Guess what? These are likely the ones that spill the beans to their wives. I also know of several that take it very seriously and would never speak of what goes on to their wives.
I think the honest answer is .....some do and some don't
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"You will be objects of hatred "a reasonable understanding
by luap inindeed thats just what witnesses are.
everyone hates them.
is there any other group in "christendom "that are hated as much as these.?
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Celestial - You may have indeed found some hurtful and/or propagandistic threads on this website. I for one do not approve of JW bashing. But I do approve of pointing out their hypocrisy and false teachings. However there is one thing you need to remember. This forum consists of many ex-jws that have been screwed over by a cult. Whereas the JWs are supposedly directed by God.
Therefore.......it would stand to reason that this forum will contain posts from those that have their facts straight as well as ones that don't. What is inexcusable is for the society to publish the June 22, 2000 Awake article regarding propaganda.....when they themselves are guilty of the exact propaganda techniques that they condemn in the article. If they are directed by God....then there is no excuse for their literature to be even remotely propagandistic.
Check out this thread for examples within their own literature of what they condemn.