i do not wish to give a misconception here. i support what lee elder is trying to do, yet this video appears to be a real blow to anything major happening soon. this video was being done when insiders were making the claim of getting something done for reform. it evidently was a lie, i feel this is a message from wt to see the real picture. people on the inside pretend to be supportive of what lee elder is trying to do and the reality is they are just gathering information to benefit wt. surely many on the inside knew of this video coming out, yet not one word in advance of it coming out. courious isen't it. i smell a rat.
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Watchtower-1, Lee Elder-0
by messenger inwell friends it came tonight at the thursday meeting, a new video "no blood medicine meets the challenge".
it has prepared case histories and testimony of several in the medical field show that no blood is good medicine.
it is to be distributed to newly interested ones and to those in the medical profession it has been especially prepared for the non-witness viewing public.
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What to do...
by onthefence inwell im going to be unpopular here.
i am still in jw orginization, in fact i just went to a meeting tonight and even had the privlege of caring microphones.
i'm being set up as an example in the congregation...and guess what else...i dont believe anything!!
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you have begun the journey, for many it starts with a few questions and then you reach a crossroads. you can turn back or press on. each decision you make will take you closer to or farther from the wt. as no worthwhile journey is completed in a short time, so to with this journey of life. the questions you raised are very valid and are exactly the same as many have asked themselves thousands of times. it is much like the matrix, do you really want to blue pill or the red pill. you have to decide if you want to go to the point where you can never turn back. after a time we kind of rephrase the questions as life becomes clearer.
Am i willing to waste my entire life to keep my parents happy? Would a real woman see only religion as a basis for a relationship? If this is the truth why are their so many lies that have to be overlooked? am i going to trade one co-dependant relationship with religion for another one? is god really so insecure and in such need of reasurance that if we do not spend every waking hour praying and trying to please him, he will kill us? do you really believe that?
dangerous questions belie dangerous answers, but the journey has begun and you will have to decide for yourself which direction you wish to go.
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by messenger inwell friends it came tonight at the thursday meeting, a new video "no blood medicine meets the challenge".
it has prepared case histories and testimony of several in the medical field show that no blood is good medicine.
it is to be distributed to newly interested ones and to those in the medical profession it has been especially prepared for the non-witness viewing public.
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well friends it came tonight at the thursday meeting, a new video "No Blood Medicine Meets The Challenge". it has prepared case histories and testimony of several in the medical field show that no blood is good medicine. it is to be distributed to newly interested ones and to those in the medical profession it has been especially prepared for the non-witness viewing public. no general public distribution but could be offered to studies, nonbeleveing family, workmates school mates or anyone who might raise questions about jw stand on blood. direction will be given to brothers for distribution to doctors and hospitals in the local area. complete with medical footage and computer anamations to show what actual transfusion alternatives are and how they work. whether witnesses choose to accept or refuse these alternatives is left up to them.
the above are excerpts from the letter read to all congregation in the US soon to come in other languages.
Well what do you think of this, all the tall talk of reform coming this year and the wt just about to change the transfusion stand to a conscience matter seems to be just that, tall talk.
the information with the new video appears to mean one of two things:1. the reformers within the organization have capitulated and lost the war so to speak, the hardlineres won and wt has no intention of any adjustment.
2. there never was a reform movement from within it was just the hopeless wish of those outside the organization, it never had a snowballs chance in hell of happening to begin with. those inside were just using their supposed reform stand to gather information on what apostates were doing.
does anyone have any alternative suggestion? i think the wt is to arrogant and feel they are too superior to make any adjustment that would benefit the rank and file. sorry lee, i think you were set up and screwed over. i do not think wt will destroy over 1 million videos stating a stand they plan to do away with in the next six months. so that is why i say wt-1, lee elder-0.
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Women are COWS!
by JanH inwhen a girl reaches the age of puberty or physical maturity, her.
body has developed in the matter of sex more than in the mind.. young folks like to be together, first in groups, later in twos.. if they have not been instructed by their parents in regard to the.
permitted, because the female is not in physical condition to breed.. the bull seems to understand this and keeps in his own place.
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Dear Watchtower,
i have recently read the 1961 article on sexuality and how it relates to cows. it has brought to my mind a few questions that i humbly request your response.1. if the bull finds a willing cow should he wait until another bull says it is ok?
2. if there is like one bull in a whole field of cows can he only be with one cow?
3. if so, what would be the best explanation to give to the other cows when they had their "needs"?
4. if not, would this not be considered fornication to have multiple cows and how would the bull be dealt with judically?
5. if the cow becomes pregnaunt, would the bull be allowed any continueing liberties?
6. would any variation be allowed when it comes to the actual sex act between the bull and the cow?
7. if so, please provide instructions along with pictures so as to know how to not be in violation of bible principles.
8. if a bull sticks his nose where he shouldn't, would that be considered porneia?
9. what if the only bull is a real jerk, can the cows request a new bull to supply what is needed at the proper time?
10. what if the bull is not attracted to the cows in his field can he exchange fields with another bull if it is mutually agreeable?i would appreciate your response asap as many bulls and cows are going to be very frustrated until you provide the proper guidelines as to how follow bible principles.
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Where do I stand?
by Bubba99 inthis is my first post on this site... i will post more details of my story later.. my spouse has obtained an unscriptural divorce.
does anyone know where that leaves me as to my being free to remarry?.
i noticed the following in the elders manual, the wording seems to contradict itself.
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if you want to remain a jw you better not do anything till you get the goods on your wife. if she is remaining within the wt this will be more difficult as she will no doubt become more active to show how bad you are. the elders manuel says the word adultry in the first part of the sentence. that is the key word, somebody has to commit adultry to be free in wt world. if she left the organization and you were to write a letter saying she confessed to committing adultry the elders would have to take your word for it unless she decided to prove otherwise and at that point it would be considered between you and Jehovah from the elders standpoint. this is stated in a 70's qfr i believe. i think your best option is to just wait a few weeks, most claimed "man haters" will screw anything that moves in short order. all you need to do is watch and wait. that is if you want to avoid the jc.
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by messenger ini have done some really bad things that involve kittens and ducks but i do not want to tell you my story, unless you ask, then i will have to refuse.
while i need help and consolation, i hate everyone on this board and will attack anyone that replies to this topic.
please do not try to help me or i will kill myself and it will be your fault.. love,.
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how dare you all make fun of me you are a bunch of scarecrows and i know you just want to scarecrow me, i can't stand scarecrowing but i fell compelled to talk as i have to be involved with six large hamsters every night for five nights running. how can you comment until you have gone through what i have, no one understands me, i was going to tell you my story, but now i absolutely will not because of your sadistic scarecrowing. just because i am an albanian dwarf there is no need for your racism in makeing light of my hardship. it is the only way i can provide for my little ones and i mean very little. i love them so much and that is why i hate all of you, go away, don't talk to me, now i am going to hide. where are those kittens....
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by messenger ini have done some really bad things that involve kittens and ducks but i do not want to tell you my story, unless you ask, then i will have to refuse.
while i need help and consolation, i hate everyone on this board and will attack anyone that replies to this topic.
please do not try to help me or i will kill myself and it will be your fault.. love,.
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i have done some really bad things that involve kittens and ducks but i do not want to tell you my story, unless you ask, then i will have to refuse. while i need help and consolation, i hate everyone on this board and will attack anyone that replies to this topic. please do not try to help me or i will kill myself and it will be your fault.
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by azzazel inhullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.
i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .
during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.
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con, sham, and a trick, if you are real I am a member of the governing body. No one so vunerable could attack so many so well. I think you are not who you pretend to be and get some type of thrill engageing so much conversation.
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Does God Play Fair?
by messenger indoes god play fair?.
once upon a time a mother bought her son a checker game.
little johnny was so proud to have something so shiny and new.
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Does anyone see this as the very root of all belief of JW's, if you take away the struggle between God and Satan, what is the point of the bible?
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Does God Play Fair?
by messenger indoes god play fair?.
once upon a time a mother bought her son a checker game.
little johnny was so proud to have something so shiny and new.
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DOES GOD PLAY FAIR?
Once upon a time a mother bought her son a checker game. Little Johnny was so proud to have something so shiny and new. He had a friend who was an excellent checker player so Johnny immediately went to his home to play a game. As they set the board up Johnny said, “First we have to have some rules as to how the game is played and since I own the game, I make the rules.”
1. If you win all the checkers I still win the game.
2. If I win all the checkers I win the game.
3. You can break any rules you want, I still win the game.
4. I can break any rules I want, I still win the game.
5. If I choose to not make any moves, I still win the game.
6. No matter what happens or how things are done I win the game.At this point little Johnny’s friend said, “I do not think this is fair.” Johnny said, “I do not care, it is my game and unless you play by my rules you are not allowed to play.” Reluctantly his friend agreed to play by his rules and can you guess what happened?
He lost to Johnny every single time they played. If you were little Johnny’s friend would you play checkers with rules like that? Why not? Most reasonable people would say why play in a game you could not win? Even if you loved to play checkers the “rules” would take out all the fun, the game would be pointless as there would be only one outcome, losing. Johnny was not playing fair.As you read this story you may say this is so simplistic why would it even be brought up?
Think about this story in relation to the issue Universal Soverenty. As it is explained God made a deal with Satan to see if he could play the game of rulership better than He. The only addendum was God got to make the rules, no matter what happened God wins and destroys anyone who disagrees. What kind of issue is that? If Satan was an intelligent being why would he agree to a no win situation? If God has to destroy 99% of the world at the end of time to win back his Soverenty, who would the winner appear to be? How big a risk is God taking if there can be only one outcome? What is the point of having an issue of Universal Soverenty if there can be only one conclusion to begin with and the decision is already made? Were the angels to stupid to understand this concept?The reasoning above would have to lead you to one of two conclusions: 1.There is no issue of Universal Soverenty that is being decided, it is a stupid simplistic concept thought up by religion to control people. 2. God doesn’t play fair.