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  First DA Over UN/WT Issue!

  by messenger in

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  i was sent this email from a close personal friend who has served as an elder for several years.

  it is a copy of excerpts of his disassociation letter sent to his local congregation and the society on tuesday of this week.

  perhaps this is the first da over the un/wt relationship.

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  He last served as an elder in 1999, when he stepped down over how the society handled a case of molestation.
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  United Nations Getting A Little On The Side...

  by messenger in

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  i find it interesting the new found love the wt appears to have for the un.

  in the two latest articles, july 22, awake and august 1, wt, they make reference to the good policies of the un and it's universal declaration of human rights.

  as my memory serves, the harlot represents babylon the great (aka, false religion, aka, all religion except jw's) that commits fornication with the wild beast (aka, un representing all kingdoms of the earth) does this bring on a "new light" adjustment in wt doctrine?

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  When I posted this thread there was no idea of the NGO status of WT. It appears this issue has been clarified as to why the WT wants to be happy with the UN. The Question that comes to my mind is why do they still continue to condemn the UN? In the lastest Isaiah Book they rip the UN up one side and down the other. They show pictures of the pope at the UN and other religions being associated. Could there be an internal discord within the GB as to how the UN should be treated? One side the F Franz camp who thinks it is the beast to bring the end of the world and the other side who basically does not agree and sees the advantage of using the UN to get the WT religious status (more money) in other countries. As with many issues of the GB they quietly disagree and continue in two differant directions. If this be the case then it may have caught up with them for not "being of one mind and speaking in agreement". How will the two camps reconcile if this is the way it is? Will the GB split and go differant directions? Time will tell.
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  First DA Over UN/WT Issue!

  by messenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was sent this email from a close personal friend who has served as an elder for several years.

  it is a copy of excerpts of his disassociation letter sent to his local congregation and the society on tuesday of this week.

  perhaps this is the first da over the un/wt relationship.

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  I was sent this email from a close personal friend who has served as an elder for several years. It is a copy of excerpts of his disassociation letter sent to his local congregation and the Society on Tuesday of this week. Perhaps this is the first DA over the UN/WT relationship. It seemed to be the proverbial last "straw" for him. I do not think it will be the last DA letter for others.

  He has never been on this board and I encouraged him to visit, if he does it will be by the name at the end of his letter.

  9-25-01

  Cxxxxxxx Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
  c/o Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

  Dear Friends,

  I have some rather complicated issues to address, I do not harbor negative feelings toward any of those associated with the organization nor have I done anything wrong. I am grateful for what I have learned and for some good memories.

  I am taking a life changing and life affirming action for sound scriptural reasons, actually, I liken the Watchtower movement to John the Baptist's work and the current group of Witness’s, are like his followers, preferring the old way and not listening to the kingdom message as it overtakes them. At any rate, being wrong about 1914 and not repenting makes the Society a false prophet and you know what that means for its members, so that naturally gave me pause.

  The Watchtower is in bed with the UN. See documentation. Nothing need be said. Caught like an unfaithful wife. I don't know about you men, but it's "get out of her my people" time for me. I no longer want to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, nor do I want in any way whatsoever to be associated with Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of NY, Penn., and whatever alias they may operate under these days.

  I will associate with the Free Christian Movement, keeping our core beliefs, minus the awful cultic control of Watchtower.

  Sincerely,

  LateRain
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  Russian Retrial WT PR 9-29-01

  by messenger in

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  for immediate release .

  september 29, 2001. date set for moscow retrial aimed at banning jehovah's witnesses.

  moscowthe retrial aimed at banning jehovah's witnesses in moscow is scheduled to start on october 30, 2001, in the golovinsky intermunicipal district court.

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  For Immediate Release
  September 29, 2001

  Date set for Moscow retrial aimed at banning Jehovah's Witnesses

  MOSCOW—The retrial aimed at banning Jehovah's Witnesses in Moscow is scheduled to start on October 30, 2001, in the Golovinsky Intermunicipal District Court. At the preliminary hearing on September 24, Judge Vera Konstantinovna Dubinskaya directed the parties to prepare for a further expert study of the religious literature of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  An application is before the Supreme Court in Russia to review the appellate Moscow City Court's ordering of a retrial. Russian lawyer Galina Krylova commented: "If the Supreme Court will only consider the evidence of the appeal court's blatant bias, it will agree with the conclusion of the trial court and all previous investigators - there is no basis to ban Jehovah's Witnesses."

  Since 1995 the Moscow's Prosecutor's Office, acting on the persistent complaints of an anti-cult extremist group entitled The Committee for Salvation of Youth From Totalitarian Sects, has been pursuing a lengthy prosecution of the Religious Community of Jehovah's Witnesses in both criminal and civil proceedings. Investigatory and judicial bodies in Moscow on six separate occasions have established that there is no evidence of any illegal acts on the part of the Community and its members.

  During the trial in the Golovinsky Court, the prosecutor stated she wanted a ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Moscow and throughout Russia. The Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation reregistered the "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" on April 29, 1999. Under Russia's 1997 law On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations, Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully registered 382 communities in 71 regions of Russia. However, Moscow has repeatedly denied reregistration to Jehovah's Witnesses. Applications by the Witnesses to lower courts are delayed or dismissed on dubious technical grounds. John Burns, a Canadian human rights lawyer, asked, "Why is Moscow, in its attempts to ban religious minorities, allowed to act independently of the rest of the Russian Federation?" He added, "The whole process can only be described as prosecutorial abuse and harassment of a religious minority."

  The Religious Community of Jehovah's Witnesses in Moscow was registered by the Moscow Justice Department on December 30, 1993. Today it is made up of approximately 10,000 practicing Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Contacts: Russian-speaking, Jaroslav Sivulskii, Mobile Telephone: + (7) 8 902 682 8197
  English-speaking, Paul Gillies, Mobile Telephone: + 44 7775 833880
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  WT PR 9-28-01

  by messenger in

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  september 28, 2001. religious extremists intensify reign of terror in georgia .

  tbilisi, georgiaearly this morning religious extremists mounted a city-wide orchestrated attack on jehovah's witnesses, who were traveling to their annual religious convention in the adjacent city of marneuli.

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  For Immediate Release
  September 28, 2001

  Religious extremists intensify reign of terror in Georgia

  TBILISI, Georgia—Early this morning religious extremists mounted a city-wide orchestrated attack on Jehovah's Witnesses, who were traveling to their annual religious convention in the adjacent city of Marneuli. The mob of some 100 attackers, many in masks, closed a main thoroughfare. They stopped the buses carrying delegates, dragged the people out by the hair, threw them to the ground and kicked them, punched them, and beat them with clubs. Women, children and the elderly were not spared. At least one bus and numerous cars carrying delegates were also seriously damaged in the process.

  The attackers then headed to the convention site in Marneuli, where they continued the rampage. They trashed the convention site and a private residence and burned up the benches and religious literature in a bonfire. The attack was led by renegade Orthodox priest Vasili Mkalavishvili and his main associate Petre (Gia) Ivanidze. Despite organizing and participating in dozens of attacks against religious minorities over a period of two years, neither of these men has ever been taken into custody.

  Jehovah's Witnesses had informed the authorities well in advance of their intention to hold a convention and had received guarantees from the police that proper measures would be taken to protect their right of assembly. Today's attack belies that statement. Victims who managed to get to police stations were derided by police officers and told that this matter was not a police affair. Police in Marneuli merely watched as the convention site was being trashed, but they made no attempt to intervene.

  Telephone: +995 32 7623 59 Facsimile: +995 32 76 95 98
  English speaking mobile phone: +995 99 554-892

  Video footage of previous violent mob attacks available to the media upon request
  Contact J. R. Brown, telephone: (718) 560-5600
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  WT PR 9-18-01

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  september 18, 2001. court victory for armenian jehovah's witness.

  pyerevan, armeniajudge mamvel simonyan today pronounced lyova margaryan innocent of all criminal charges.

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  For Immediate Release
  September 18, 2001

  Court victory for Armenian Jehovah's Witness

  PYEREVAN, Armenia—Judge Mamvel Simonyan today pronounced Lyova Margaryan innocent of all criminal charges. He added that under Armenian law, Margaryan could apply for damages because of the "false charges" brought against him.

  Margaryan was accused under Article 244 of the Armenian Criminal Code of "luring young people into attending religious meetings of an unregistered religion" and "influencing members to refuse their civic duties." The judge explained that the purpose of this law is to protect young people whose rights and health are damaged and who are urged to reject civic duties. He reviewed testimony that he said demonstrated a lack of evidence to support these charges. He explained: "According to Armenian law, every child has the right to worship and parents can educate them according to their beliefs until the age of 16." He added that judging by the evidence presented in court, "children had not been lured to meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses, but they had attended with the permission of their parents."

  In his judgment, Judge Simonyan reminded the court that various witnesses had testified that their written statements had been dictated by the investigator. He also cited the example of one witness who said that her negative views of Jehovah's Witnesses had been gleaned from television.

  Defense attorney, Rustam Khachatryan, declared:"This a victory for religious freedom in Armenia. The Judge's brave decision, despite intense pressure from the news media to convict Margaryan, should help to pave the way for Jehovah's Witnesses to be registered in Armenia."

  This prosecution followed an Armenian television program in which law-enforcement officials called for a crackdown on unregistered religions, using article 244, of a 1960 antireligion law introduced under then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. Jehovah's Witnesses, who number 7,000 in Armenia, have made numerous attempts to secure registration since Armenia gained independence in 1991. Freedom of religion and conscience is guaranteed by the Constitution of Armenia and by the European Convention of Human Rights, which Armenia signed upon its accession to the Council of Europe on January 25, 2001.

  The prosecutor immediately announced his intention to appeal Judge Simonyan's decision.

  Contact numbers in Armenia, telephone: + 3741 426868
  English-speaking, Paul Gillies, mobile telephone: + 44 7775 833880
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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

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  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  The guidlines offered by the Society have for years set standards for Christian conduct. Certain guidlines have serious implications for a Christian's decision could bring dire consequences, for example:

  1. Join the military automatic-DA.
  2. Willful blood transfusion automatic-DA.
  3. Join YMCA automatic-DA.
  4. Vote automatic-DA.

  When you consider the above implications to an individual Christian, the question would be, how would this apply to an organization that made up this code of Christian rules.

  If it is good for the goose is it not good for the gander?

  If that be the case it would provide the basis to say the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has automatically disassociated themselves from God's favor. For those of you who read this each Christain should seriously consider shunning anyone associated with officials of the Society. It is sad to have to take this action, but what else can a Christain do when God's laws are broken.
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  Excellent Job Bush!

  by messenger in

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  i believe in giving credit where credit is due.

  president bush did an excellent job on his speech to the nation tonight.

  it was clear concise and to the point.

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  I believe in giving credit where credit is due. President Bush did an excellent job on his speech to the nation tonight. It was clear concise and to the point. He showed true leadership and concern for those who lost so much. My hat is off to you sir.
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  "Infinite Justice"

  by messenger in

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  well it appears our genius of a president and his great advisors have now managed to offend what was left of the muslims who were halfway favorable to helping the usa.. infinite justice?.

  who was the dummy that created that moniker?

  does it have something to do with ridding the earth of all evildoers?

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  Well it appears our genius of a president and his great advisors have now managed to offend what was left of the Muslims who were halfway favorable to helping the USA.

  Infinite Justice?

  Who was the dummy that created that moniker? What does it mean? Does it have something to do with ridding the earth of all evildoers? Isn’t that supposed to be Jesus job?

  Perhaps you might like to help make some new suggestions as to the new name of the invasion force. I make a few suggestions below:

  1. Evildoer Eradication
  2. Justification Multiplication
  3. Infantile Justice
  4. Kill Bad Men
  5. Bombification Operation
  6. Evilication Vacation
  7. Kill Brown Men
  8. Towel Head Trounce
  9. Big Boom
  10. Texas Barbeque
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  CO's visit sunday 9/23/01

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey all, .

  well, i was just invited to attend the meeting on sunday, the co is visiting and my mother told me the talk will be a good one.

  i don't know if i can stomach sitting thru this!

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  Remember the wt is only 30 minutes with a 30 minute talk following applied to local needs. That might make it worth your while to stay for the entire meeting.