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Bloodless Surgery-YOU DIE!

by messenger in

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http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4139986%255e3102,00.html.

heart surgery deaths 'outed'.

hedley thomas and nathan scholz.

messenger

Of course if you really really really want to die when why should we stop you? I am inclined to agree with the comments below.

. http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?f=/stories/20020413/628631.html

Judging the judge
Justice Adele Kent's decision in the case of the Calgary Jehovah's Witness teenager probably appeals to many Canadians, myself included, who do not concur with the religious beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness, however, it is clearly in conflict with other decisions regarding teenagers' right of free choice in the province of Alberta (Jehovah's Teen Ordered to Take Transfusions, April 11).

A 16-year old girl may leave home if she disputes her parents guidelines; she may choose to have sexual relations, obtain contraceptives and have an abortion without the consent of her parents. She may leave school. All of these life-determining choices are within her control according to decisions made routinely in Family Court in the province.

It occurs to me that the judge erred significantly in denying the right of an obviously devout, mature young person to make a life choice. Or have we begun to recognize that 16-year-olds aren't quite so ready to make those lifestyle choices?

Regrettably, it seems more likely she discriminated against religious beliefs with which she does not concur.

Brian Franks, Calgary.

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Bloodless Surgery-YOU DIE!

by messenger in

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http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4139986%255e3102,00.html.

heart surgery deaths 'outed'.

hedley thomas and nathan scholz.

messenger

. http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4139986%255E3102,00.html

Heart surgery deaths 'outed'
Hedley Thomas and Nathan Scholz
16apr02

A GOLD Coast private hospital outed itself yesterday for having had Queensland's highest fatality rate among heart surgery patients.

But Allamanda Private Hospital chief executive Libby Shakespeare said a Queensland Health study released to all hospitals two months ago was "misleading and seriously skewed".

The confidential study showed the risk-adjusted rate for benchmark heart surgery procedure at the Allamanda was 3½ times the state average for public hospitals and twice the rate for private hospitals.

There were four deaths among 70 patients who had cardiac surgery in the year under review, before the Allamanda was sold by Mayne Health to the Health Corporation of Australia.

Ms Shakespeare said the fatality rate of 6 per cent was misleading because the hospital's cardiac surgeons had mostly operated on "very hard, very high-risk patients", including a Jehovah's Witness who refused blood products and a 91-year-old man.

"The report by Queensland Health itself admits there were insufficient cases for analysis," she said.

"We did not have many low-risk patients and we did not have a large volume over all, so the figures are misleading.

"In this financial year we have so far had one death in 89 patients.

"We also have full peer review for the doctors to discuss deaths and that has happened since the cardiac unit opened in February, 1999."

Queensland Health and Mater Townsville Hospital have scrambled to deflect criticism of mortality rates since Channel 9's Sunday program highlighted an alarming number of deaths.

Queensland Health's chief medical officer, Bryan Campbell, last night said the raw mortality figures "are an indicator only".

"They show us that there may be something wrong – not that there is something wrong," he said.

Mater Townsville board chairman Bob Jones said people expected a transparent investigation by the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons. The Mater Townsville's death rate for cardiac valve patients was four times the state average, but Mr Jones said he was not allowed to give the figures for individual surgeons.

Courier-Mail

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R&F JWs Eager for Dateline?!

by Seeker4 in

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had an interesting talk while visiting my jw son-in-law this past weekend.

out of the blue he tells me that there are some brothers and sisters in his congregation who know about the dateline program, and who have called or written dateline urging them to run the show!!

these are active jws.

messenger

23,000 elders have resigned in the USA in the last three years. The hemorage continues.

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How about an Overseer for the Elderly??

by Mulan in

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i was telling my daughter in law about this ongoing saga, with the elders and my mother.

she isn't a jw, and attends a christian church.. when i told her about calling the local elder, who is the presiding overseer, she asked me why i called that elder.

"is he the one in charge of helping the elderly?

messenger

The provision has already been made. About six years ago on a CO visit it was suggested that elders assign an elder to look after the elderly in the congregation. He was to check on them when they were sick notify the body when assignments needed to be made to assist those in need. They generally looked for an elder with more free time to be able to see the elderly on a regular basis. This as well as many other programs are only as good as the local BOE chooses to impliment them. Many do not.

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I got a letter from the Society

by voltaire in

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actually, it was from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

nice envelope and letter head.

in case you don't recall my situation(why should you?

messenger

Why don't you put up a scan of the letter? Your comments help to show how much free will you actually have when you are a baptized JW.

NONE...

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How long will it take to be reinstated?

by blindfool in

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ok, heres my question for all the ex-elders out there.. it will be announced thursday that my niece will be disfellowshipped.. the circumstances are not important to this discussion, but she is .

remorseful for her actions and has taken steps so it will not happen again.

she actually made a lot of sacrifices to try to make her mistake right.

messenger

The standard is one year. There have been some cases where committees have moved for reinstatement earlier, if they do they will receive a reprimand from home office telling them to never do that again. After reinstatement then come the restrictions which also will last around a year to get them all back. Basically it is a two year process. Your friend can appeal, but understand it is basically a rubber stamp process of decision of the original committee. 98% of appeals go along with the original decision. Unless she has a very good friend on the appeal committee then she is toast.
Regarding the monthly appeal for reinstatment she might want to rethink do that. The Committee is not going to do anything for a year, if you irritate them by submitting letters you might prolong the process. Elders were instructed at the 98 school to not convene a meeting at every appeal for reinstatement. To submit a letter and be ignored could make things more difficult. I would suggest her talking to the chairman of the committee and asking him the best way to approach reinstatement. Whatever he says follow the instructions implicitly. Check in with him on a regular basis and ask him how you are doing. Ask him when you should submit your plea as you wish to do so as quickly as possible. Follow his instructions and that will be the quickest path to getting back in. If it happens he is a hard ass and after one year she is not reinstated, then she should approach the CO with the problem and ask him what she should do to get back in as a way to get the ball moving.

If you want to get back in you have to play by their rules. Working with the chairman of the committee or whoever on the committee was the most helpful will get you back in the quickest. Having an attitude and asking for matters on your terms will only prolong the process.

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Outrageous memorial experience sigh

by Liquidizer in

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the following one is from h2o, written by mackoz:.

new procedure for d-f'd at the memorial?

i've gone from being an elder to being a man who can hardly bring himself to open his well-thumbed bible.

messenger

The protocol described in this post is truly outrageous. At the same time it is outside the guidelines offered to those who participate in the JW Memorial. ALL in attendance are offered the opportunity to partake, even if they are df or da. If this story is true it would appear some local elders developed their personal protocol for how the Memorial should be conducted, they were out of line. If the individual concerned wanted to make an issue he should write the wt and tell them the story and ask why he was treated in this manner. The elders would get a letter in short order and the df one might get an apology.

When matters such as this are offered it is important to not add more to the problems at hand that do not have substance. There is no wt protocol for for not serving DF ones at memorial.

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Pioneering slips Again

by metatron in

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april 2001 - lists number of regular pioneers.

for january 90,477. april 2002 - lists number of regular pioneers.

for january 89,007 (u.s.).

messenger

Each April there is a large push to get a report on every publisher for the month. The month of April is used to drive the peak publisher number for the entire year. In the event the number do not hit the mark, you can then count on a push month on August to make it up. "Peak Pub" months are often packed with reports from other irregular publisher months before. The result is a completely fabricated number made up largly of past month reports.

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IF You Call or Have Bethel Contacts

by messenger in

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i thought i would pass for those it may concern.

wt has instituted the highest security measures from within.

in the course of the last year security has been installed at the trunk or core line going into and out of all wt facilities.

messenger

I thought I would pass for those it may concern. WT has instituted the highest security measures from within. In the course of the last year security has been installed at the trunk or core line going into and out of all WT facilities. Any phone call by pay phone or otherwise from within any bethel complex is recorded and flagged for any suspicious wording. All computer activity from within is monitored as well with a program that informs them of every click on any computer used within. When you click on the WT website you will receive a "cookie" that let's them know where you go from there, according to those who are in the know. I guess the question would be if this is just the simple truth from God, why all the draconian measures to spy on those who are members? If you are a person at a WT facility and you wish to communicate something that might make WT unhappy you need to get outside of their property before you use the telephone or computer in order to be protected.

Just thought you might like to know.

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My district overseer in Arizona

by Preston in

brother emsahw (i think that's how his name was spelled) was my district overseer.

he was also the most flamboyantly effeminate higher-upper of any witness i came across (yeah, yeah...i know).

for many witnesses he was eccentric, from my standpoint, well, you know...

messenger

"The little man with the gold rings on his hand." Was an expression often used to to describe the celebate gay DO with an ego problem. He wears a rolex along with several large gold diamond rings. He always wanted his accomadations "just so" and if they were not up to his "level" he would complain and move often insulting the host. He was also a sneaky little turd who would shine on to your face and then stab you in the back with the powers that be. He is originially from Alaska where he served for several years. He was moved due to some scandal that left him as the odd man out. No pun intended. IF you are a JW my suggestion would be to keep him in all the Crown Royal he can drink and do not let him get behind you.