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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  Exactly so. If are you are saying that money is all important to them (yes, mostly) then "all things are possible" !

  Our analysis of their future should not end with a pat answer about cuts to save money. Each cut they make, limits their options and narrows their future choices. They are tearing down what little infrastructure they have, as an elder friend of mine observed.

  And how - or to what extent- does this endless trend of money-based cuts go? Does it eventually reveal a dismissive contempt for the friends - or a detached weariness about managing them?

  Also, if they keep cutting in response to a lack of donations, what message does this keep sending to them, if they still think Jehovah is supporting them?

  I say, it's going in that direction. Plenty of companies freely give away calendars and small publications, without being skinflints about it.

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  Sex In Iran

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.businessinsider.com/official-report-reveals-irans-secret-world-of-sex-2014-8.

  quite surprizing.

  in some ways, these arch-fanatics are way more liberal than jw's!.

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  http://www.businessinsider.com/official-report-reveals-irans-secret-world-of-sex-2014-8

  Quite surprizing. In some ways, these arch-fanatics are way more liberal than JW's!

  The above is yet another reason why the world needs to leave Iran alone - because they are evolving as a society. I would not be surprized if they turn into a liberal, anti-clerical culture in a decade or two - if the endless warfare talk stops.

  If evolution can turn dinosaurs into canaries, it can accomplish miracles for human societies, too. Hey, peacenik Scandinavians used to be rape and pillage Vikings, it can happen.

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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  Suppose some Muslim leaders said, " don't bother with '5 times prayer, a couple times a day is OK"

  or suppose Mormons were told, "you can lose the 'special underwear'. Or maybe the Pope says attending Mass every week in not a big deal.

  My point here is: why did they cut assembly days? why have they chopped magazines down to a pathetic 16 pages? why have they told people to print your own Daily Text and Calendar? A number of old timers are painfully aware of disaster looming because C.O.'s are becoming absolute monarchs. Indeed, that change may suggest a greed for property over any spiritual interest in publishers.

  This sort of stuff is Really Bad for Cult Maintenance. Fanatical religion is all about keeping habits going, not allowing them to decay/fade away.

  Superficially, it looks like they lack a long term interest in the future of their Organization. We will see....

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  Israel's Defense

  by Paris in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is interesting.

  lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

  i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

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  I am hostile to any religion or political group dominating others! Christian, Muslim, even atheist. It seems to me that this is a reasonable response to a 'Watchtower" past.

  https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2001/12/hoffman.htm

  Consider the above link as an answer to stopping terrorism.

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  Israel's Defense

  by Paris in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is interesting.

  lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

  i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

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  http://www.blacklistednews.com/Prominent_Jewish_Leader%3A_Israel_Intentionally_Massacred_Civilians_in_1948_to_Terrorize_the_Population/37081/0/38/38/Y/M.html

  Israel was founded by Jewish terrorists (such as Menachem Begin, former PM).

  Think terrorists can't change? Apparently, Israel did. Even Yassir Arafat knew that wives and kids and a house would "domesticate" many of these guys - because that's what he helped arrange years ago when his movement had to absorb a number of them.

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  Israel's Defense

  by Paris in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is interesting.

  lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

  i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

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  I'm very well aware of every fact (or "fact") you posted.

  The "rights" of Palestinians are a sad joke - as settlers run over them with cars, shoot them and cut down their olive trees - or cutoff access to their farm land with complicit support from Israeli authorities.

  Pretty much like segregation in the US was....

  Apartheid is still apartheid. Annex the West Bank and give them FULL Rights - and watch Hamas wither away. Even if a few fanatics persist, jobs, houses and a decent middle class life will change everything. Why shouldn't they be violent? Like prisoners in "maxi-max", they often have nothing to lose.

  And your solution? More killing? More segregation? How does it get fixed otherwise?

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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  I have no illusions that they have any great interest in being "kind". If they actually have lost faith in their own bullsh*t, perhaps they may have some hint of compassion as to feeling guilty about taking care of 8 million dupes.

  I'm not making a prediction because we need more evidence. I am a trend follower by nature (as by habit with stock market speculation).

  I do think we need to be skeptical about the automatic assumption that, just because they have always been obsessed with control, they always will be. The practical necessity of this cultish dominance has been compromised.

  You may have a point about a future legal challenge in regard to the "preaching" work based on volunteers representing the WTS. However, if you or others believe that they would abandon the D2D work because of such a challenge, then the persistence of this work does not have the absolute certainty that many would attribute to it, IMO.

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  OKM 10/14: Preach the word; be at it urgently

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's their new monthly theme!.

  that's all folks!.

  dark spliver.

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  Not only that but the Society once made a big deal out of this scripture as being misapplied. It refers to the congregation, not door to door activity.

  What idiots...

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  Israel's Defense

  by Paris in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is interesting.

  lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

  i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

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  Israel is engaged in perpetual war because it demands to be an exclusively Zionist state. What would happen if West Bank Palestinians were given full rights as citizens together with real, enforced civil rights?

  The Palestine Authority would fall apart. Hamas would scream as people from Gaza tried to leave for other Palestinian villages. Countries such as Iran would have a tough time trying to oppose a fully democratic Israel/Palestine. Anti-Zionist Jews such as Hasids and the Ultra-Orthodox would form political alliances with Arabs (as in "politics makes strange bedfellows").

  The propagandistic mass media in the US in particular is so dominated by pro-Israel lobbyists, that alternatives never pop up in public attention.

  If the US did it with regard to segregation, Israel can do it. If South Africa can do it with apartheid, Israel can too.

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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  Let me add this: dictators don't have retirement plans.............. but the Governing Body?

  It is well if guys like Hitler and Stalin enjoy deluding people because they have no choice in the matter. Once you 'ride on the tiger's back', there is no way to get off without being eaten alive. Sadaam Hussein knew this and said as much.

  However, the Governing Body don't have the same dire necessity -wherein they must deceive and oppress and dominate because they are protected under law. The First Amendment is a pretty solid barrier.

  So, they can change things as they wish....... and so what? I continue to question this "they must maintain control over publishers!" idea - because I think they can get tired of it and compromise the whole thing since they control What's Really Important ($$$$$$)

  And all the more so, if they lose personal faith in it. On that point, I will admit that their level of self deception can be quite astonishing. I recall that GB member Greenlees was utterly faithful to the Organization ideal even after he was involved with men/boys.

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