Posts by mgm

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To: Truthbknown

by Dubby in

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dear truthbknown,.

don't be so afraid to let the truthbknown!

devoting yourself to men and their rules puts you in a precarious position with jehovah.

I think, JW are not the only way to God. I know people from other christian groups, which have a much deeper and closer relationship to god and Jesus than the average witness. They also show that love to God trough the clean lifestyle, which they really practice (from there heard, not because it's a law).
Will they be destroid by God? When Jesus said, some will say... lord, lord, didn't we do this and that in your name?? Whom did he mean?
In my opinion, he mean the one, which did work for God to look good to other people but not from real love to God! Does anybody here really believe, that God or Jesus will tell them at the court:
You really loved us, helped other people by any chance and spent almost your whole time for us, but unfortunately you misunderstood that and this teaching...
But to the witness they would say:
You didn't have a close personal relationship to us and we didn't see you showing love, but, important is, that you got the right sense out of the bible. So you will be saved!

For my case, I'm still a witness. After some talks with elders, I'm not allowed to discuss my doubs with others in the meetings. Thats wy I enjoy this forum so much....

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To: Truthbknown

by Dubby in

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dear truthbknown,.

don't be so afraid to let the truthbknown!

devoting yourself to men and their rules puts you in a precarious position with jehovah.

mgm

I think, JW are not the only way to God. I know people from other christian groups, which have a much deeper and closer relationship to god and Jesus than the average witness. They also show that love to God trough the clean lifestyle, which they really practice (from there heard, not because it's a law).
Will they be destroid by God? When Jesus said, some will say... lord, lord, didn't we do this and that in your name?? Whom did he mean?
In my opinion, he mean the one, which did work for God to look good to other people but not from real love to God! Does anybody here really believe, that God or Jesus will tell them at the court:
You really loved us, helped other people by any chance and spent almost your whole time for us, but unfortunately you misunderstood that and this teaching...
But to the witness they would say:
You didn't have a close personal relationship to us and we didn't see you showing love, but, important is, that you got the right sense out of the bible. So you will be saved!

For my case, I'm still a witness. After some talks with elders, I'm not allowed to discuss my doubs with others in the meetings. Thats wy I enjoy this forum so much....

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Have the elders lost it?

by Lars_Ulrich in

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all is not well with the wts.

the elders are arrogant jerks, the gb has lost its grasp of reality, and the congregation publishers are right out of the stepford wives.. on the other hand, the big bad internet has arrived as our technological savior.

the free flow of information is the truth that sets us free.. everything we could possibly want to know is there.

mgm

Lars Ulrich, I don't know anybody in this forum, which said that all elders are arrogant and all WTS teachings are bad!!
Don't you feel and see how the fdS is scared of the internet? And this is just the start!
The information about false teachings of the WTS is growing every day.
What you think, how big is the number of brothers, which had a look into apostate pages in the net?
Just to walk away is not a solution for most brothers, since they don't wanna be shunned by the family and friends...
And this could be a great religion after some changes of course. Most of us would like to stay as a witness, but would like to have and feel that real love, which was shown by Jesus and not more and more manmade rules...

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What Has Happened To Us?

by Frenchy in

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a few months ago during the elders' meeting with the c.o.

i could not help but express myself to him when the subject of meeting attendance came up.

now this is a nice guy as far as c.o.

mgm

I'm agree with you about cutting the number of meetings down. Two "good quality" meetings would be enough. But which one should be cut away?
The service meeting? Or the bookstudy?

The WTS is slowly changing there policy about education and financial plans. They recommend to have an life insurance and retirement plan. But what about all the older brothers which didn't plan for the future according to the old teaching of the society?
What about all the skillful and intelligent brothers which do a "low job"?
What about all the brothers with art skills, painting, singing, playing an instrument or good in handicraft?
They hardly have time to enjoy there hobbys and to make a living out of it is a dream!
Why doesn't the society support chores, singing groups, music bands an so on, in order to praise Jehovah?
Could you imagine how many would like to join in a chorus?
Am I dreaming or what....for this kind of things is enough time in the new system....now go preaching!!

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Blood Transfusion?

by Friend in

considering the latest questions from readers article on blood transfusion, i was wondering what the feelings are among this forums participants about blood transfusion.

over the years the society has been receiving a growing amount of letters on the subject of blood and blood transfusion.

any interesting biblical perspectives here about whether "abstain from blood" means abstain from blood transfusion?

mgm

I start to be fed up about that whole blood matter!! I just can't and never could emagine, why GOD set up such a nonsense law.
GOD just didn't like the misuse of blood, which was common in ancient time. Most :)) other laws make sense, was good for health or social live, but to refuse blood transfusion is nonsense...

What cracy a lot of effort and time was wasted and still is to defend that policy from the WTS. Some elders are becomming experts for blood and bloodless therapies, but would better be real loving shepherds and use that time for the real needed help ...

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WHY does God fail to...

by Martini in

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...attain unanimous support from his creation of free moral agents?

from the majority at least.. apparently according to the wt interpretation of god's own book...a prominent spirit creature who made himself satan became unsatisfied and left god.later untold numbers would join the devil.. now the only solution for the future of these 'rebels' would be for god to destroy them.. then the very first human creatures apparently also felt unsatisfied and withdrew from god.they got destroyed.. later god had to confuse the language of all humans because they were unanimously opposed to god.

those people too are history.. then god had an ark built because all flesh had left god's way except for a handful of people.. evidently god was not expecting any great number to actually join noah, otherwise god would have had noah build several arks!

mgm

Maxee, the official date for the fall of Jerusalem ist the year 587 B.C.. The year 539 B.C. is accepted from the WTS and "the world". But only the WTS date the fall of Jerusalem to the year 607 B.C., which is against all the known facts of history.

I can recommend to read the two books of Ramond Franz warmly, since you get an idea, how things are handled in Bethel. The first book is titled: "crisis of concience" , the second: "the way to cristian freedom"

It should be a must to read this books for every witness.

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My Journey

by Frenchy in

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i suppose we all think of ourselves as unique and we are in so many ways.

what i fail to realize, i guess, is that we are far more alike than unique.

every now and then i will reveal some little fear or quirk or dream that i have only to find out that someone else has experienced the same thing!

mgm

Hello to all the new members. It's getting difficult to read all the new postings every day....:))

I also have difficults to pray since I know some truths about the truth. I just can't say some expressions like I used to say befor. I mostly thanks god for everything and ask for protection and guidance.
I avoid also the expression "the truth", since I know how the "truth" change every few years.
The truth would be 100% facts, but this is not at all the case for the JW.

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are you guys for real?

by Jokemyster in

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i came to this forum to maybe get you to think and use your own brains.......but the funny thing is you are........i just wonder why you stay in name only when so many of you are not likeing it, and dont believe anymore or dont believe all of it, what keeps you going when you dislike it so much?.are you afraid of loseing family?

face?

what?........i walked away and believe me its not bad at all..i have friends that are true to me and peace within my heart.

mgm

frenchy wrote:" I'm shaking my head because for so long I believed that I was the only one who felt this way."

I always thought that I can not be the only thinking brother in the meeting. I always thougt, how can this or this brother believe that point with his smart brain and his education. And you can be shure, there are a lot of secret doubts, which everybody keep for himself, because of the well known reasons.
I was even surprised, what doubts my father (an elder) and mother have in there mind...but they would never question the slave for that...

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WHY does God fail to...

by Martini in

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...attain unanimous support from his creation of free moral agents?

from the majority at least.. apparently according to the wt interpretation of god's own book...a prominent spirit creature who made himself satan became unsatisfied and left god.later untold numbers would join the devil.. now the only solution for the future of these 'rebels' would be for god to destroy them.. then the very first human creatures apparently also felt unsatisfied and withdrew from god.they got destroyed.. later god had to confuse the language of all humans because they were unanimously opposed to god.

those people too are history.. then god had an ark built because all flesh had left god's way except for a handful of people.. evidently god was not expecting any great number to actually join noah, otherwise god would have had noah build several arks!

mgm

Hi
I think the same way than allo of you...
I figured out after some serious talks with elders, that the most important thing is to believe 100% to the fdS. This is the very important point.
Nobody ask, do you believe in Jesus or the holy sprirt, no, the question is, do you believe in the slave!!
I'm not allowed to talk to anybody in the meeting about my questions, in order to keep in contact with my family and friends.

I don't believe, the JW's are the only true religion anymore, since I found people in other religions, which have a stronger and much deeper relationship with god than the average witness has.

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What Has Happened To Us?

by Frenchy in

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a few months ago during the elders' meeting with the c.o.

i could not help but express myself to him when the subject of meeting attendance came up.

now this is a nice guy as far as c.o.

mgm

I'm fully agree with you, guys!
But as long as the speakers don't have more freedom in choosing topics and words, how can it ever be more interesting?
They have to stick to the manuscript from the WTS. How can one have great motivation to have a good public talk?
Doesn't say the bible that some of you are speakers, some preachers and so on...The bible doesn't say, every elder has to hold public talks!
Everyone shall do according to his personal skills.

Another point: You say, that the information is dry and repeated. But what more information could be given than now? Almost everybody knows everything about the teachings. It is not the wish of the dfS to go more into details. If so, more questions from brothers would come up to be answered....even more than now...

The style of the meetings should be completly changed, from a school type to seminars with workgroups and projects.
Kids should be separated and receive a teaching matching to there age.
MGM