where are they from?
are they all from the united states or are some from other countries?
question just kind of hit me....
Re: Where are Governing Body members from?
I found this info here, almost half way down the page,
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=398&sid=14f2ef8c1c5771716bdf6184ceeb44ed&mforum=jw
(Note, John Barr is now deceased)
Barr, John E: Scotland
Herd, Samuel F: America
Jackson Geoffrey: Australia
Lett, Steven: America
Lösch Gerrit: Austria
Morris, Anthony: America
Pierce, Guy H: America
Splane, David H: Canadian
lawyers response resigned and withdrawn elder .
today i uploaded a new article to my blog containing a 14-page incredibly detailed response from a watchtower lawyer to a long-time high-ranking elder who had resigned and withdrawn his association with watchtower.
my article is titled lawyers response resigned and withdrawn elder and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/09/lawyers-response-resigned-and-withdrawn.html.
Re: Viewing the magnified image.
After selecting an image from the small icons at the bottom, and right clicking on that image, I chose 'View Image", which gave me an image that can be magnified.
I am using Firefox, and the choices of “Open Link in New Tab” or “Open Link in New Window” are not available.
lawyers response resigned and withdrawn elder .
today i uploaded a new article to my blog containing a 14-page incredibly detailed response from a watchtower lawyer to a long-time high-ranking elder who had resigned and withdrawn his association with watchtower.
my article is titled lawyers response resigned and withdrawn elder and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/09/lawyers-response-resigned-and-withdrawn.html.
I can't get page 8 to show. However, I am getting 2 page 9s. (both the 8th and 9th small icons at the bottom of the page bring up page 9)
an australian friend "in high places" told me that their branch overseer or whatever he is called now,.
has been sent to poland.. because of the timing i just wondered if this is connected to the victorian court case.
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The organization makes itself look suspicious by not complying with this law. Why won't it? One reason would be if the W was trying to protect someone who couldn't pass the background check. If it is eventually forced to comply, then how would the Society protect those people? By moving them out of Australia seems a reasonable answer.
It will be interesting to see if others up and move to another branch. When there is no chance of embarrassment, then the Society will comply...and probably act as if it was the first organization to do so.
fyi: the following material that im providing comes from a source in australia, an xjw who is now monitoring the case and will provide feedback, comments, and opinions.
barbara.
the governing body of jehovah's witnesses was recently summoned to appear in the magistrates' court of victoria on september 13, 2011 in relation to a number of indictable criminal offences allegedly committed.
"... it has been going on for quite some time now. So - now we can wait until October 11, right?"
But isn't it really just getting started? As someone mentioned, the legal system is a big wheel that turns very slowly. Delays, postponements, continuations, requests for this and that, are all part of the normal legal process, are they not? I'm not suggesting this case will 'bring down the Watchtower', but if the only outcome is that the Society is made to comply, then it's a great victory.
I have wondered why it hasn't already complied. To not go along with a law that is designed to protect children leaves me a little mystified, especially when that organization claims to be the only true Christian religion on earth. Is the organization hiding something? Maybe, maybe not, but compliance is the right thing.
on the suggestion of the office of public prosecutions, mr steven unthank made application to the magistrate that the case be transferred to the summary stream and listed as a summary mention on 11 october 2011.. .
on the suggestion of the office of public prosecutions, mr steven unthank made application to the magistrate that the case be transferred to the summary stream and listed as a summary mention on 11 october 2011.. .
following a request by mr steven unthank, the magistrate ordered that the case be transferred to the summary stream and listed as a summary mention on 11 october 2011.. .
I have something of a side question for Barbara, or others.
Why did Steven Unthank, a private citizen, have to take on this case if the first place? It doesn't make sense to me for Victoria to have a child protective law that it will not inforce through the proper authorities. If other religious groups have complied, but the Watchtower has not, what was the government going to do, let the Watchtower slide by forever? What would be point of the law, and how would it protect children, in that case?
Is there an authority in Victoria (or any other part of Australia where a similar law exists) that has gone after any group, religious or secular, for non-compliance?
http://armenianow.com/news/31667/armenia_mother_murderer_ararat_town.
select edition english ??????
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Regarding the children's Bible, opened to the page of "Jesus Christ Blesses the Children", I googled the phrase and I got several Mormon hits. Do Jehovah's Witnesses also have a children's book with that title in it? Since the Witness claimed not to not know her, perhaps she was examining several religious groups. Either way, an incredibly heart breaking story.
my local congregation has been in the news this week following a successful application for planning permission for a quick build.
a local vicar objected because the application described it as a building for "christain worship".. .
vicar fury at new home for jehovahs .
Next to the last paragraph, re the 5-22-94 Awake cover, "...young victims who paid the ultimate price for the organisation’s prohibition against blood transfusions."
Come right out and say they died. I would even love to see it say something like,
"...an organization that proudly advertises the death of it's own people, including children, for obedience to it's rules banning blood transfusions."
i know... how cool would that be??!.
having just commented on the post by trailerfitter about the situation with his wife, and how i have personally found the book crisis of conscience by ray franz to be the perfect antidote to the society's perception of itself as being god's earthly organisation, the thought occurred to me: what if there was a movie about ray franz and his life?
obviously the society would be in uproar, and letters would be read out to all congregations all over the world not to go and see it, but just imagine!
Hello to everyone. I am a long time reader, and first time poster. I had no intention of saying anything on this forum at this stage of my Watchtower experience, but as I read this thread, something came to mind I thought I would mention. More about my personal experience and standing with the WTS at another time.
The other day I went to a movie with my daughter, and one of the previews of an upcoming movie was a baseball story. I follow MLB and I thought I recognized the main character in the trailer. He was hired by the Oakland A’s, he appeared to be the General Manager, and the A’s were a small-market losing team. But I thought, Why would anyone make a major motion picture about him?
He is virtually unknown outside baseball circles, and even most fans would not have heard of him until a book was written about him, and now this movie. Many fans would still not know who he is. I learned about him by accident while looking up another topic.
But someone in the movie business knew of him. And became fascinated by the story. And had the clout to make it happen. And a major actor was cast to play his part, Brad Pitt. If the preview is any clue, it will be an interesting movie, even to non-baseball fans.
[FYI, Billy Beane uses information to judge player talent other than the usual statistics of stolen bases, home runs hit, high batting average, and runs batted in. He recognized that other stats, such as on-base percentage and slugging percentage were meaningful too. He hired players who excelled in these catagories, and who could be had much cheaper than the big names in the game, and assembled a team that won many games in Oakland. The A’s became known as the winningest team in the game per dollar spent. Boring stuff!]
How could the story of this unknown make it so far and succeed? Great writing is a must, to produce a script that engages people in the human interest aspect of the story. Good directing is needed too, to put it on film in a way that audience interest is kept. And good acting is important.
I once heard that there was hardly a family that has not been touched by Jehovah’s Witnesses, perhaps it was in the literature or mentioned at a meeting. That is probably true in the USA and some other countries. Think of the many people that have been Witnesses and left the organization. Many, many more have studied and attended meetings. Many, many, many more have had a family member or close friend become a Witness and were impacted by it in some way, ie the relationship changed. More people have been touched by Jehovah’s Witnesses than by Billy Beane. And Ray Franz is a major figure in the recent history of the religion.
Is it unlikely a movie about Franz could be made? Probably. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
A major figure in the movie business would have to take an interest in the story. The writing is the key factor in my opinion, and would have to be engaging in a way that appealed to people across a wide spectrum of the population. The human interest aspect of it would be paramount.
After that, good directors and good actors would be needed. The initiator of the project, the writer, and the director would all have to have been touched by Jehovah’s Witnesses in a very meaningful way to pull it off, because they would all have to get it to make it come alive to everyone else.
Certainly religion is a more difficult topic to address than baseball. But with the right group of talented people involved, it would probably work.
i did some spring cleaning in my place and found an old box of books with my grandfathers stuff.
in it i found some real gems, a dozens "brand new" copies of life everlasting of the sons of god books, and a copy of the divine plan of the ages with pyramid chart and all.
now what i am wondering about why did they stop the life everlasting book?
Sharpie,
Do you still have the Divine Plan of the Ages book, with the pyramid chart? Would you be interested in selling it?
