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  Bible Students - have you spoken with them or attended their meetings?

  by JWStruggle in

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  the bible students are very friendly and loving people and i recently attended a convention of theirs.. i was wondering if many on here have had dealings with them?

  i do not think i am ready to join any organized religious group ever again, but they are welcoming and sincere and i do like many of the things russell taught.

  he certainly wouldn't have stood for what rutherford did to the wtbts.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  The Bible Students are very friendly and loving people...

  Several months ago I was looking for a set of Watchtower Reprints. In my search I emailed a a few Bible Student groups to see if they had any. All had been sold.

  A couple of months later I heard from one man again, who said he had an extra personal set that he would part with, since he was moving and 'downsizing' and didn't have room for them. He neglected to give me a price, even after I asked. After repeated requests for a price, he finally said 'they were given to me, so I will give them to you,' and based that on the scripture that says "you received free, give free."

  He would only let me pay for shipping, and I was seriously wanting to pay for them.

  That is my only experience with a Bible Student, and if he is representative of the group, they are outstanding people.
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  Giving public talk, need some help!

  by Silent_Scream in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a very close friend of mine is giving a public talk around may about the bible.

  he asked me to help him out (of course not knowing where i stand with everything).

  a perfect opportunity!

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  Teary said,

  They spoke their minds and what they felt was right even if it meant scorn and rejection from the people they knew and loved best.

  Yes, Paul and other early Christians did. And early Watchtower publications support this. For example the book Thy Kingdom Come (1911), pp 184-185, warns against joining "human organizations" because those doing so will "bind themselves to believe neither more nor less than the creed expresses on the subject."

  And if they "think for themselves," or 'speak their own minds' as you have expressed it, they will have to "come out of such a sect."

  The same publication observes that to do this will "cost some effort, disrupting, as it often does, pleasant associations, and exposing the honest truth-seeker to the silly charges of being a "traitor" to his sect, a "turncoat," one "not established," etc."

  It goes on to say, "When one joins a sect, his mind is supposed to be given up entirely to that sect, and henceforth not his own. The sect undertakes to decide for him what is truth and what is error."

  Today the Watchtower says that everyone must think alike, in order to be united as Christians. Not only is it unacceptable to talk about something the Society doesn't teach, Witnesses today are warned against even 'harboring private ideas.' The only beliefs that are acceptable are those of the leadership, which has been deemed to be the governing body of the "faithful and discreet slave."

  To 'speak one's own mind and what he felt was right' would today be viewed as a 'defection, an abandonment, a falling away from the teachings of the slave,' and the person would be disfellowshipped for apostasy.

  Sadly, the WTS has adopted the controlling methods it once warned against.
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  Do not add or do not take away.Rev.22;18,19

  by jam in

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  who have added and who has taken away.

  not have to be a genius to understand these words.. god says, "this is the end".

  don,t tamper with it, his.

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  ScenicViewer

  Already posted. Sorry.
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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

  (this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

  i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

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  does anyone know if some elders have been relieved of their status in Australia lately?

  The director of the Australian branch was moved to Poland just before the congregation elders got a letter telling them to comply with the law. This may or may not be meaningful. The timing of it is suspicious.

  (Harold Viv Mouritz) http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/215817/1/Australian-branch-co-ordinator-sent-to-Poland-Victorian-court-case
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  Giving public talk, need some help!

  by Silent_Scream in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a very close friend of mine is giving a public talk around may about the bible.

  he asked me to help him out (of course not knowing where i stand with everything).

  a perfect opportunity!

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  Gentle reminders, such as to 'never go beyond what is written' in the Bible (1Cor 4:6), may be helpful, since JWs do it on almost every subject.

  The same idea is derived from 2Ti 3:16, "All scripture is inspired of God, and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness..." Witnesses hear this scripture all the time, but rarely apply it.

  Much more emphasis is given to what the Governing Body says than the Bible, and the Governing Body itself is a concept that 'goes beyond what is written', since it is not found in the Scriptures.

  Even though he will have to stick to the prescribed outline in giving the talk, you might be able to make inroads in getting him to think, and to see that Witness beliefs and concepts are sometimes not based on the Bible at all.
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  The JWs in the crowd gasped in Australian court..

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  shocking information near the bottom of this report from a watchtower lawyer definding the organization in australian courts.focus on the information under the heading: "the faithful and discreet slave".

  quite the shocker... the society's lawyer statesthere is no true physical body of people, but only a theological arrangement.

  the jws in the crowd gasped.

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  What is DPI?

  In this context it is the United Nations' Department of Public Information. In 1991 the Watchtower Society became an NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) affiliate of the UN through the DPI. This is a clear violation of the Watchtower's neutrality stand, since the organization views the UN as one of the political beasts of Revelation and part of Satan's world wide political system. All political involvement is to be avoided by Jehovah's Witnesses, including snuggling up to the UN.

  After this came to light, the Watchtower withdrew, but apparently Watchtower NGOs still exist under veiled identities.
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  Do the Governing Body members ever go Door-to-Door?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book, in search of christian freedom, ray franz wrote that that gb members for the most part never participated in door-to-door work.

  they were "too busy with more important things.

  " (gee, how come that excuse wouldn't work for the rest of us?

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  "...they plaigerised a photo from an Italian paper of a woman in a jail cel..."

  Plaigerising and manipulating photos seems to be fair game for the Watchtower.

  A famous one is the Reader's Digest advertisement that was used for a magazine cover.

  The original:

  

  The Watchtower 9-15-82:

  

  After getting caught a change was forced. Bound volume covers were like this:

  

  A report can be found here,http://www.watchtowerlies.com/watchtowerlies_063.htm
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  Do the Governing Body members ever go Door-to-Door?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book, in search of christian freedom, ray franz wrote that that gb members for the most part never participated in door-to-door work.

  they were "too busy with more important things.

  " (gee, how come that excuse wouldn't work for the rest of us?

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  @00DAD

  ScenicViewer: Do you have the link for the thread you referenced? I searched and couldn't find it.

  Hmm. I searched for it too, and couldn't find it. If I find it later I will gladly post the link.

  It was only a few months ago. Not sure why it wouldn't show up in a search, unless the thread was deleted for some reason.
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  Do the Governing Body members ever go Door-to-Door?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book, in search of christian freedom, ray franz wrote that that gb members for the most part never participated in door-to-door work.

  they were "too busy with more important things.

  " (gee, how come that excuse wouldn't work for the rest of us?

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  ...I don't know if it's photoshopped or not, but it is definitely STAGED

  There was a thread on here re that photo with Herd. Several posters noticed things that weren't natural about the photo. A few are

  -The lighting on the other man is mottled, sunlight and shadow, but the lighting on Herd is very smooth, probably studio.

  -Herd's head seems to be pasted in, not natural looking.

  -Issues with the grass.

  -The other brother's hand seems to be missing. To cover it, fingers are put in on Herd's right shoulder as if that's where his hand is. Also, they are way too close to be walking in service. No two men walk so close together that their bodies are virtually touching each other.

  -There is an issue at the bottom of the brothers bookbag, something the Photosho artist didn't clean up. Enlargement below.

  
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  Are JW's allowed to be bartenders?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my brother(ms) just got a job at a hotel and mentioned to my mother that they may train him to be a bartender.

  she said that we(jw's) are not allowed to do so.

  is this in any of the publications?

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  I was offered a job as a limo driver but the older ones told me it was not a good idea.

  Who were you driving the limo for? A gang of bank robbers? If not, the older ones were probably making up their own rules.

  (Watchtower 10-1-1972, Article: Your Conscience and Your Employment, par.3)

  "3 As a simple illustration, serving as a chauffeur and driving an automobile is in itself proper employment. But how could a person professing to be a Christian serve as chauffeur for a gang of bank robbers? Or how could a Christian let himself be identified with a house of prostitution by serving as its doorman or maid?"