Hard to tell how old he is as black people tend to age like fine wine.
Black don't crack.
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LEON WEAVER - New Prez?
by St George of England injust read on jehovahs witness forum that leon weaver has been made president.
replacement for max larson.
george.
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A little example of how severely the contributions for the Society are drying up
by sir82 injust a little tidbit from the congregation i attend..... the congregation has approximately 120 publishers.. well over 1000 magazines per month are picked up, not to mention all the books, brochures, and tracts that are picked up.. there was a "local needs" part on the service meeting recently, asking for more contributions.. it seems our congregation has averaged just about $300 per month contributions to the "worldwide work" over the past year.. .
assuming 1500 magazines / month, that's just 20 cents per magazine - and that completely ignores all other literature that is picked up.. the last price the magazines had, 20+ years ago, was 25 cents per issue.
with inflation that would have been about 50 cents each now.. just another sign of how severely the contriutions to the society are drying up..... .
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"...making the assets of the WTS. over above one billion world wide, perhaps now of the WTS's recent sell off of their properties in Brooklyn NY close more to 2 billion."
This article says the Brooklyn properties alone are worth about 1 billion.
http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/a-heavenly-portfolio
When you add in the value of all the Kingdom Halls (almost all owned by the Society), Assembly Halls, Branch offices, farm properties, undeveloped properties, and various other assetts, from all over the world, it seems like the Watchtower net worth would be more than 2 billion.
Just a feeling I have.
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Looking for examples of how the Watchtower usurps Jesus position.
by Indian Larry ini am doing a personal research project and looking for examples of how the watchtower usurps jesus postion.
scriptural or wt references would be great.
thanks!.
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The Bible says that there is “one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:5) [...] By claiming to be such a channel, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is usurping some of Christ’s role.
Is support of your mention, here is a quote from one of the WTS publications...
(Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace (book) p10,11 par16)
“Jesus Christ is not the mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.” -
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Ding dong with 4 JWs this morning
by Qcmbr inthe jws were out in our area this morning and i bolted downstairs before my wife could waive them away as she normally does.. two ladies (mum and 24 year old daughter i later found out) initially stopped as i opened with a comment about how i couldn't trust a thing they say because they are taught to practice theocratic warfare.. the mother blinked and asked me what that was ( so it began ) i informed them both that they are allowed to lie or at least be evasive with the truth with worldy people.
she countered that they are taught not to lie so i again asked her if she knew what theocratic warfare meant and she again said no (first of my many - 'please go look that up' statements .).
i then moved onto the idea that they couldn't think independently outside the organisation due to fear of being disfellowshipped and shunned.
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You said all that? Very good job!
I like people who can think on their feet. Wish I was better at it.
And I have to especially agree with your remarks about the 'shooting alcohol in the veins' illustration they like to use. It's the most ridiculous analogy I've ever heard. Well, almost. They have a few other doozies too.
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Breaking News from Steve Unthank - Police Launch Investigation into Traralgon Congregation
by Broken Promises inaustralia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
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Is this the same KH that took down the sign for Theocratic School night meeting?
Yes. And cancelled the #2 reading assignment of a 10 year old boy. Apparently trying to hide the fact that there is a school for children within the WTS, after denying it to the authorities.
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Breaking News from Steve Unthank - Police Launch Investigation into Traralgon Congregation
by Broken Promises inaustralia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
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Two newspaper articles from several months ago.
Since these articles are from April and June the latest developments aren't covered.
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Very tiny change to Service Meeting Announcements protocol.
by Open mind infor those who want to keep up with the "pure language", i found out this week that at the most recent elder's school, they were told that the announcements should no longer include the following:.
1. name of public talk and speaker for sunday.
2. synopsis of all the parts that are coming up on the rest of the service meeting.
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Bulletin board = Papal bull information.
So, why would the Society have a problem using the term 'bulletin board,' since many Watchtower pronouncements amount to the same thing.
GB pronouncements = Papal bull, Watchtower style.
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JW Urban legends
by William Penwell ini was reading this on the urban legends web site.
i recall a post and some discussion earlier on this site about the john denver rumor.
the rumor of him at one of his concerts asking all jw's to leave.
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The rumor of [John Denver] at one of his concerts asking all JW's to leave.
Years ago I heard a similar rumor, but it was Wayne Newton who asked Witnesses to leave.
I wonder just how many versions of this rumor there are.
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Wiggle room and the deconstruction of the 1975 JW disaster
by Terry inthe watchtower, may 1, 1975, said of a watchtower bible school of gilead graduation held on march 2, 1975: (italics added).
another speaker, f. w. franz, the society's vice- president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the christian preaching work.
the watchtower (1943 july 1 p. 202) says: "jehovah god is therefore the only supreme court of interpretation of his inspired word.
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[The 1986 book, Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace” starting on p. 182] was the last time the Watchtower Society even alluded to the creation day being 7000 years long.
There is one (slightly) later reference to the 7000 year Creative Day that I am aware of, from a 1987 Watchtower magazine.
(W 1-1-87, p30)
"Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week."
This teaching has never been denied outright, but; is not considered to be worth promoting anymore.
Unfortunately, the Society isn't always clear when a teaching has been changed or dropped. The 7000 year Day has been silently abandoned. The latest teaching doesn't put a time on the Creative Days.
(Was Life Created, Brochure 2010, p24)
"How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
The Creative Days are no longer viewed as being 7000 years long, but as an unspecified 'considerable length of time.'
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Crisis of Conscience within the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses - Part 1
by sizemik inthis press release on steven unthank's website yesterday is worth a read .
it's a fuller version .
more details.. http://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/traralgon-congregation-crisis-of-conscience-part-1/.
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Now I get it! I had wondered why the Meeting sign had to be removed. What was the point of it?
As Retrovirus has pointed out (from Unthank's article) the WTS has denied operating a church based school for children. However, the Theocratic Ministry School is just that, since both children and adults are enrolled.
The sign advertised the time the school was held, and also had an advertisement to the public stating "all welcome," and "all" would include children. Additionally the Society has stated in the Watchtower,
" If you are not acquainted with this ministerial training course, you are invited to attend the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses to enjoy its informative program without cost. You do not have to be one of Jehovah’s witnesses to do so ." (W 9-1-73 p534, par16)
These remarks are clearly directed at bringing non-Witnesses, including children, into the KH.
It also explains why the 10 year old boy had to be removed from his assignment that night; it wouldn't do to have a child appear in the school after the Society has denied having a school for children.