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  A BIG change the Watchtower will have to face up to . . .

  by nicolaou in

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  1995 drew a line of demarcation.

  the doctrinal rudder of freddie franz was gone, the sacred cow of the 1914-generation had been slaughtered and the internet had arrived!.

  it will take a while longer but the time is coming when pre-1995 old timers like the gentleman below will be an impotent force within the society - if that hasn't happened already.

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  Another thought.

  There is already less increase in advanced countries than there has been in the past. Is it possigle that Third World countries, where information is less available, are producing the real increase.

  Mayabe those places will be targeted more heavily by the Watchtower in the future. I wonder if this is one of the reasons the Society became an NGO affiliate of the United Nations and still has some hidden NGO connections, to pave the way to gain entry into countries previously inaccessable.

  Just an idea.
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  A BIG change the Watchtower will have to face up to . . .

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1995 drew a line of demarcation.

  the doctrinal rudder of freddie franz was gone, the sacred cow of the 1914-generation had been slaughtered and the internet had arrived!.

  it will take a while longer but the time is coming when pre-1995 old timers like the gentleman below will be an impotent force within the society - if that hasn't happened already.

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  I think youi make a reasonable point. You can scare the older ones by demonizing the internet; many of them have no interest in it anyway. But the younger ones, who are much more tech savvy, will not be so easy to fool.

  When the old ones are gone, and the younger ones take their place, the Society will have to develop new scare tactics. It may not be as easy as it has been in the past.
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  JW FAMOUS CLICHE SAYINGS

  by strymeckirules in

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  what saying made it all around the country?.

  the ones that were passed around, word of mouth.. for example.

  "donations basis proves jehovah is behind the work!".

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  @ Peridotgreen,

  How right you are. Years ago I noticed that some Bibles translate Isiah 65:11 (the ' god of good luck' scripture) as 'setting the table for the god of good fortune,' or simply 'for Fortune.' Examples here.

  So it's the same thing. Witnesses were fooling themselves by saying 'fortunate' rather than 'lucky.'

  And the Watchtower magazine, 9-1-80 issue, p30 suggests that using the word luck to simply mean "good results" is perfectly ok anyway.

  It's one of those famous Watchtower myths that catches hold and goes on for decades.
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  JW FAMOUS CLICHE SAYINGS

  by strymeckirules in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what saying made it all around the country?.

  the ones that were passed around, word of mouth.. for example.

  "donations basis proves jehovah is behind the work!".

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  Why did I wait til today to click on this thread? These are hilarious. Here are a few more.

  -- Never say you were ‘lucky’. It means you worship the god of good luck. Say you were 'fortunate.'
  
  -- Really enjoyed your fine comment brother.
  
  -- What a fine example you are setting for the congregation.
  
  -- The preaching work is a 'separating' work, we have to find the God's sheep.
  
  -- Millions Now Living Will Never Die
  
  -- This old system can’t last another year. (Been saying that one for about 130 years.)
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  Victoria, Australia: The long edition (new) of Part 2 of Steven Unthank's report of molestation/rape within the Traralgon Cong.

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.jwnews.net/.

  crisis of conscience within the traralgon congregation of jehovahs witnesses?

  part 2december 18, 2011 by sitepost .

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  Steven Unthank is a private citizen.

  In Australia criminal charges can be brought against a person or other entity in three ways. 1) By the police. 2) By the office of Public Prosecutions (like a district attorney). 3) By a private citizen, if the citizen puts the work into investigating and preparing a case. The court will then examine the case and decide if it has merit. If it does, the government prosecutor will take it over.

  He is an ex-Witness who is concerned that the Watchtower has refused to comply with the Working With Children Act. He has done a tremendous amount of work in having 5 different Watchtower entities charges with 7 criminal counts each. So far, all counts are still in effect.

  His web site is here,

  http://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/press-release/

  A long thread is here,

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/213724/1/Victoria-Australia-Steven-Unthanks-Press-Release-JWs-Hierarchy-Formally-Charged-Today-With-Child-Abuse
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  Letter About Blood Doctrine

  by Bangalore in

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  letter about blood doctrine.. .

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  bangalore.

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  @ Giordano who said,

  To put a face on it, Google Jonestown...photos will pop up of people men, women and children lying dead in a field. That's the annual death count of JW's each and every year...

  That is a powerful arguement. Does anyone have any references regarding the number of JWs that die each year due to needing blood?
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  For those who think that Steven Unthank is taking too long to reach the media look at how long it took the Penn State Scandal to hit the news!

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  look at how long it to the abused victims of the catholic church to be heard in the media.

  many victims started to speak out in the 1970's and no one would listen to them.

  so many victims had to fight for their lives just to be heard many of the victims died of suicide over it.

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  My hope is that something eventually comes of this. Some have said that to get it into the press too soon could backfire, and I agree. If it hit the press, then the Society somehow managed to crawl out from under all of it, it could easily be spun into 'those evil apostates are trying to smear God's clean people.'

  If there are convictions in the end, whether for the crime of refusing to complying witht the WWC Act, or for actual child molesting, then is the time for it to be publicized. It's hard to wait, but for it to have impact it's the best thing in my opinion.

  WTS policy may not change at all, even if there are convictions and publicity. But there may be a side benefit; people would be better informed about the Watchtower, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses. Anything that informs people about the true nature of the WTS is a good thing.
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  Letter About Blood Doctrine

  by Bangalore in

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  2. beliefs

  letter about blood doctrine.. .

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  Please now accept this expression of our warm Christian love and best wishes, as we remain, Your Brothers.

  I feel this is one of the most pretentious and disingenuous statements I've ever read. The letter has a harsh and evasive tone. Nothing loving or helpful in it.

  And the expression "we remain your brothers"... is that supposed to suggest 'we will not remain your brothers much longer if you keep asking questions?'
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  LEON WEAVER - New Prez?

  by St George of England in

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  just read on jehovahs witness forum that leon weaver has been made president.

  replacement for max larson.

  george.

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  As to the GB being paid $100,000, never heard that in the 55 years I was personally in and in 4 generations of jws back to 1920.

  I too doubt they are "paid" much, little more than the Bethel allowance. However I've heard many Witnesses talk about giving money to COs and DOs by slipping money into their coat pockets, sending it to them, and in other ways. No doubt the GB members receive such gifts too. Who knows how much?

  In some places they are practically worshipped. Would they receive as much as $100,000 per year, even in their most prosperous year? Probably no way to know for sure.
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  Did Charles Russell know that certain christmas traditions were pagan?

  by garyneal in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question that has been on my mind lately because i believe it can make an impact on those 'honest hearted' ones who wonder why the watchtower today is so different than the one led by russell and yet russell can still be considered a brother in good standing.. jehovah's witnesses today acknowledge that the watchtower use to celebrate christmas but as they were being led 'out of the darkness' they changed their ways.

  i did some research and it is clear in the old zion's watchtower magazines that russell knew that december 25th was not jesus' birthday but instead it was the time of his conception.

  in one article, it even stated that jesus was born september 25 (nine months later) while in another article it stated that jesus was born on october 1st.. what's not clear, however, is whether or not old chuck knew that the traditions were pagan.

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  Terry said,

  A thing is not what it was, but, what it now IS.

  - and -

  What it was at any point in ancient history is really meaningless unless you are an archeologist, Paleontolgist or an Asberger's syndrome sufferer!

  (Awake 9-22-03 p23, 24)
  “A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.” (Said regarding the use of the pagan based pinjata.)

  Strange how the Society will allow some pagan customs because they have lost their original meaning over time, but birthdays and Christmas are still taboo. The Society itself turns these "matters into big issues."