Posts by ScenicViewer

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Latest news on the new JW.org

by rip van winkle in

up and running for 1 week.

started with 139 languages.

currently 155 languages.

ScenicViewer

"Jehovah's Witnesses are the coolest religion!"

Maybe it's supposed to look like it comes from a newly interested person, but it sounds like something a zealous Witness, posing as a non-Witness, would say. And a very young one at that.

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Best EZ 1 Liners to Say to Witnesses?

by LV101 in

jw
friends

any suggestions?

attending an invite (strange we're invited but hoping to make it worth my while) but i don't want to suffer big consequences as i've already said enough wrong stuff.

i'm stuck reading hassan's ccmc book (about half way --- just don't have time and not into it).

Did you know that watchtowers have a strong pagan connection, and that there is not one single example in the Bible of a faithful servant of God using a watchtower icon as a symbol of his religious beliefs?

Yet JWs live and die by what the Watchtower (the Society)tells them.

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What Proof Is There That Rutherford Was Responsible For The Pyramid Monument Near CTR's Grave?

by JWB in

what proof is there that rutherford was responsible for the pyramid monument near ctr's grave?.

"charles taze russell died in 1916, the pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the the masonic temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with pastor russell's grave.

the masonic temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether.

ScenicViewer

@ JWB,

Here are some scans from the 1919 Convention Report that pertain to the Pyramid.

The article that NeverKnew so carefully wrote out is included.

Edit: JWB, sorry about the cross post. As I was preparing these pages you posted the link to the 1919 Convention Report.

The "At The Grave" article is enlarged for easier reading.

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Watchtower Argues on Behalf of Jimmy Swaggart

by 144001 in

the wtbts filed an amicus brief in the u.s. supreme court case of jimmy swaggart v. board of equalization of california, and actually argued that swaggart should win this case.

in response to numerious requests i have received, here it is: .

http://kvisit.com/snsujag.

ScenicViewer

Thanks, I can get in now too!

Clickable,

http://kvisit.com/SnsuJAg

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Watchtower Argues on Behalf of Jimmy Swaggart

by 144001 in

the wtbts filed an amicus brief in the u.s. supreme court case of jimmy swaggart v. board of equalization of california, and actually argued that swaggart should win this case.

in response to numerious requests i have received, here it is: .

http://kvisit.com/snsujag.

ScenicViewer

I'd like to follow up with this information, but when I tried to copy and paste the address into my web browser I got no results.

Is something missing from the web address?

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What race or ethnicity would you think this old guy is?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

i mean, to be so well-muscled at a wrinkly old age.... look at them gunz.. .

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ScenicViewer

This is very odd. I see hair on the shoulder and a beard.

It looks half human and half ape to me.

So we get to see the whole picture later?

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The Jehovah's Witness Dog Whistle Doctrine

by Terry in

the dog whistle is a device only heard by dogs.

ordinary humans cannot hear it.. .

the watcthower dog whistle doctrine is only "heard" by anointed governing body members.

ScenicViewer

Terry,

Very nice presentation! It had not occurred to me that the Society got the "6,000 years of human existence" wrong, TWICE! At first it ended in 1873, then in 1975, and neither time did the expected final events happen.

I have known the significance of 1873 for a while now, but it just never sunk in that the "Slave" got the 6,000 years wrong two times.

Thanks for that information. Sometimes there is a thread that moves me to keep notes from it, and this is one of them.

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Anthony Morris III shares his thoughts on eternity...

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bf0gnpcjps.

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cedars.

ScenicViewer

@ Cedars,

ScenicViewer - the "collector's edition" Stephen Lett talk has been lovingly donated to me by Baltar447, so I will try to launch a similar video in a "best of" format to show his colourful range of facial expressions!

Glad you were able to get a copy of the video. I'm looking forward to your "best of" video presentation. It's bound to be good!

@ 00DAD,

That was outstanding! I wish I could remember the experience of the personal misery of sitting through an assembly in such vivid detail. Reading your 'illustration,' it all came back.

An eternity of such uncomfortableness? I don't think so.

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Anthony Morris III shares his thoughts on eternity...

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bf0gnpcjps.

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cedars.

ScenicViewer

I'm after the "collector's edition" talk (removed from YouTube) that featured a plagiarised illustration!!

The video is gone, but for those wondering, the plagiarized illustration had a parakeet carrying a grain of sand to a distant location until an impossibly huge task was completed.

Lett's version :

The parakeet traveled from a Florida beach with one grain of sand and dropped it in the Grand Canyon every 10,000 years until the GC was full, and that's the beginning of eternity.

“Have you ever really wondered how long forever is? Let me just give you a little illustration to help us appreciate how long forever is, which is the prize for those that do jehovah's will. Now you've got to have a lot of imagination for this. I want you to imagine the Grand Canyon. Huge, vast. You walk to the edge, it makes you dizzy. You look down, the Colorado River looks like a little trickle going through there, but really it's a big, rushing, rolling river. You're so far away that it looks small in the distance. Now imagine that a little tiny parakeet goes to a beach in Florida and gets one tiny individual grain of sand in its beak. He flies back over the middle of the Grand Canyon and drops it in the Grand Canyon. Now another parakeet does this, ten thousand years later... takes a piece of sand and drops it in the Grand Canyon. This process is repeated over and over again... one grain of sand every ten thousand years. Now you can imagine how long it would take to fill up a teaspoon. But when that process is repeated over and over again, until the Grand Canyon is totally filled... in fact, it's not only filled... there are huge mountains where the Grand Canyon used to be. There's snow in the top of these mountains. People are skiing out of the top of these mountains. (Audience laughs.) When that happens... forever has just barely begun. (Laughter.) Now I probably gave you a headache. (More laughter.) But don't miss that prize of everlasting life.”

John Ankerberg's version (TV evangelist):

A parakeet repeatedly traveled to the moon, a trip requiring 1 million years in each direction, to deposit one grain of sand until all the beaches and deserts of the earth were devoid of sand, and that's the beginning of eternity.

"John Ankerberg illustrates eternity by comparing it to the efforts of a parakeet to move sand!. Let's say you commanded a parakeet to pick up a single grain of sand in its beak, fly to the moon, and drop it off. Let's say it takes one million years for the parakeet to get to the moon. He puts the grain of sand down and flies back to earth. It takes a million years for him to get back. Let's say that the little bird systematically transferred one grain at a time all the sand from the beaches and deserts of all the earth until there was not even one grain of sand left on the earth. If you could add up all of the millions of years it had taken to remove all of the sand from all of those places, eternity would just be beginning.'"

For anyone wanting to read more, the JWN thread, from which the above quotes are taken, is here,

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/225010/1/Bro-Lett-Governing-Body-borrowed-illustration-from-an-outspoken-WT-critic

The Lett/Ankerberg parakeet analogy along with Anthony Morris' fly illustration shows the GB has a fascination with tiny creatures doing impossible tasks. Their approach seems to suggest that eternity itself is impossible. Otherwise why use such silly illustrations?

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Watchtower Library NOT identical to printed publications

by cedars in

i realise the title of this thread will come as no surprise to many of you.

i've certainly heard before of subtle variations between extracts from the watchtower library and the actual printed literature.. what i didn't expect was to find this openly admitted to in the license agreement for the watchtower library, where it says in article 4:.

4. limited warranty.

ScenicViewer

In all fairness have we ever even found another single change of anything from WT to Bound Volumn?

One other example is from the 1957 Bound Volume, page 288. The original encouraged using the Theocratic War Strategy in field service, but in the reprinted Bound Volume the information was deleted.

This difference shown here is from the original Bound Volume to the reprinted Bound Volume. I have not seen the original issue but I feel it likely would be the same as the original BV.

Perhaps the Society has become a little embarrassed about the TWS, especially advocating it's use in the public door-to-door ministry.