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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  The guy [Richard Oliver] is trying to find the facts.

  No he isn't, he is only trying to defend Watchtower. RO will dole out just enough fact to twist it in Watchtower's favor, but the real facts - the whole truth - means nothing to him.
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  The only statement that says estimate ScenicViewer is the statement by SilentLambs for the Fessler Case.

  Again Richard Oliver has avoided the question which is "Where did anyone claim that a settlement amount is an "absolute fact," which is the term he used but could not substantiate.

  I see that RO is now off the site. At least he won't be able to avoid the question again, which is part of his method of argument, and readers, including lurkers, won't be subjected to his flawed and misleading methods of reasoning that are simply designed to support an abusive religious organization, the Watchtower Society.
  
  
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  Your illustration is incomplete. (Said to Richard Oliver)

  Yes, his reasoning is almost always flawed. He lets out just enough truth to get a firm hold on it and twist it hard, as do most Jehovah's Witnesses.
  

  [Richard Oliver] has become an unrelenting defender of the indefensible.

  That is very well put Steve2.
  
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  ScenicViewer I have pointed out where they have stated that these things are facts. And if you based your estimate on something that you have no actual evidence of how can you make an educated estimate of anything.

  Again you are referring to 'estimates,' but you are ignoring the question. Where did anyone say any amount was "an absolute fact?" Those are your words, not mine.

  I actually asked Ms Anderson, the owner of Watchtower Documents, about this and she informed me she had purchased court documents of cases for her book she was writing and this is how the court-sealed settlement papers were sent to her.

  There you have answered your own question - the settlement amount in that case came from court records that were sent to her. Are you saying B. Anderson is lying? If you are please post your own settlement amounts with proof.
  Or are you just grasping at straws?
  What is your real point, are you saying the settlement amounts were higher than B. Anderson reports? Or lower? Or that there were no settlements at all? What exactly are you after here? If it is to make Watchtower look innocent in the child molesting affairs you are falling terribly short.
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  Richard Oliver:

  They even admit that it is only an estimate but they claim it is based on previous settlements, but no one knows what the previous settlements are.

  You previously stated that it was being claimed "as an absolute fact." Have you, as is your usual technique, exaggerated slightly to make those who oppose Watchtower look incompetent people who make up lies?

  Where exactly did the above mentioned (B. Anderson, JWfacts, JWsurvey, and now you've thrown in Silentlambs) state an unsubstantiated amount as an absolute fact, as you claimed?

  Your exaggerations don't win you much respect.

  Yeah outlaw at least I can speak and don't rely on memes and can't make a coherent argument.

  Now I'm beginning to get it.

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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  • ... at least I can speak ... and can't make a coherent argument.

    Are you sure you said what you meant to say, you can't make a coherent argument?
    
    
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  Questioning someone who states something as an absolute fact to show proof how dare I.

  Did B. Anderson, JWFacts, or JWsurvey state a sealed amount as "an absolute fact?" If they did please give references, links, etc.
  
  
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  Why Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses Respond to All Accusations Made Against Them? FROM WEBSITE

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you could fertilize your garden with this shite.... https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/respond-to-accusations/.

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  ScenicViewer

  The Streisand Effect is when you try to hide something and it backfires, causing more people to know in the end than if you hadn't tried to hide it.

  (Wikipedia's explanation.)

  Someone took a pic of Barbra Streisand's house and published it online. She fought to have it removed, presumably because she didn't want people being able to figure out where she lived.

  At the time of her suit to have it removed the photo had only been viewed a few times and some of those viewings were by her own attorneys, but because of the publicity the suit brought the photo was viewed many thousands of times.

  (Photos here.)
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  Reveal News Hosts a Conference About JWs and Child Sex Abuse

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  reveal news hosts a conference about jws and child sex abuse; the world is finally noticing!.

  by alexandra james on april 26, 2017 • ( 9 comments ).

  on april 26, 2017, in london, reveal news hosted a conference regarding the problem of jehovah’s witnesses and child sex abuse.

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  ScenicViewer

  That then is out of the realm of journalism at least in my view.....Richard Oliver

  That's because your view is clouded. Normal people cannot know about the horrible way Watchtower treats abuse victims - their total misapplication of the Bible's 2-witness rule, the ultimate shunning of the victims in many cases, and not reporting abusers to authorities - and not be moved by the inhumanity of it.

  Only Jehovah's Witnesses and their apologists can look the other way regarding these issues. Even JWs are appalled by these actions when committed by someone else, but when Watchtower does it those same JWs will bend over backward to defend their religion and their leaders.

  The blinders need to come off.
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  Reveal News Hosts a Conference About JWs and Child Sex Abuse

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  reveal news hosts a conference about jws and child sex abuse; the world is finally noticing!.

  by alexandra james on april 26, 2017 • ( 9 comments ).

  on april 26, 2017, in london, reveal news hosted a conference regarding the problem of jehovah’s witnesses and child sex abuse.

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  ScenicViewer

  From the linked article...

  Also on hand were the producers of the Oscar-winning movie “Spotlight.”

  Yes there were some high profile people there. This was apparently a much more serious event than I had imagined.

  Lisa [Flynn, Australian attorney] is talking about the Australian Royal Commission statistics, Watchtower attitudes, and the opportunity for concealment charges.

  I sure hope something comes of that!