to most, being disfellowshiped is a terrible loss of friends family and god's perceived approval.
but not to mark jones.
in his words..... the best way i can describe it, is like when you leave highschool for the last time.
Blondie: ...Israelites were put to death, thus their family could not talk to them. That the disfellowshipped should be considered as dead. Did anyone else hear that?
Absolutely, I remember that. JWs are taught that 'if you are disfellowshipped you are dead in God's eyes and you are dead to us too,' thus they are not allowed to speak to a df'd person, not even their own family.
https://www.fox43.com/article/news/crime/sexual-abuse-of-children-jehovahs-witness-pennsylvania/521-1d54cc2e-3ec6-4d20-b67a-fc3c5e8f2580.
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-02-07-presentment-2_7_23.pdf.
From the first link in the opening post...
Victim advocacy group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said the organization itself needed to be held accountable.
"Officials within the faith that knew of this abuse did nothing. To me that’s complicit. And being complicit in crimes like these is sometimes as equal to the crime itself," said SNAP Communications Manager Mike McDonnell.
Amen to that. The Watchtower Organization is complicit in these crimes - because of it's child sexual abuse policies, including failure to report CSA to authorities - and definitely needs to be held accountable.
isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?
or have they stopped publishing it?
did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?
@ Disillusioned JW,
Thanks for all the information on the growth of nondenominational churches. That was very enlightening.
curious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
amazing how Jesus and Jehovah "directed" all this information that got changed.
That's right. The Watchtower organization has been God's spirit misdirected organization since 1919!
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Thank you Toblerone5 for the explanation. I didn't realize you were doing this in French. What a headache it must be. Smiles!
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@ Kimsilvio: Got it. Thank you!
curious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
"...I remember the generation change...it went from being of understanding age in 1914 from being born in 1914..."
There was a another, smaller change in there too. At one time the 'age of understanding' was said to be "about 15 years old." That was later changed to being 10 years old, which bought Watchtower a few more years.
In those days Watchtower said you had to be old enough to understand that Bible prophecy about the last days was being fulfilled, at least have a very basic understanding of it, to be of the generation.
Then the age of understanding was dropped completely and it was being born in 1914 that counted. Of course that failed too.
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@ Toblerone5
...he was never an Elder...
Sometimes I have a difficult time understanding your posts, so I have to ask, are you saying that Lloyd Evans was never an elder?
mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.
the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.
the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).
Got it. Thanks.
Their ideas about the 'ending of the Gentile Times' are totally useless. Regardless of when the Gentile Times supposedly ended JWs were banned in Russia just a few years ago, and are banned in several other countries as well. How could that be possible if the Gentile Times have ended and God's Kingdom has been ruling since 1914 (or 1934)?
What nonsense they teach!
mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.
the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.
the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).
Vanderhoven7: Nor would believing or not believing in 1874, 1919 or 1934 affect that salvation in the slightest.
May I ask, what significance does 1934 play in the Watchtower belief system?
