hi!i am doing a very long and exhaustive study of the "j" versions, based off the new study edition of the new world translation:https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
this list has about 300 sources, mostly bibles, that the jehovah's witnesses have used to "justify" their insertion of "jehovah" into the new testament.i am doing an excel spreadsheet of where to find digitized copies of these j versions and then some notes on them.. they contain some really interesting renderings, some that would make a jehovah's witness's head spin!for example, in j29:the original aramaic new testament in plain english (an american translation of the aramaic new testament), by glenn david bauscher, seventh edition, australia, 2012which you can find here:.
http://buffaloriverforge.com/peshitta/nt%20peshitta%207th%20ed%20plain%20text%20unnoted.pdfin luke 2:11 it says:.
"Jehovah himself was born??"
Nice catch. JWs believe that Jehovah had no beginning.
Plus, saying that Jehovah is the Messiah tends to support the Trinity belief, since Jesus was the Messiah. The problem is that JWs clearly believe that Jehovah and Jesus are two different individuals.
They (the GB) should have left that one off the list of 'J Versions', since it raises a bigger problem than it solves, and as a result tends to shoot them in the foot.
wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.
although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".
ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.
"To me it seems the religion wants the luxury of having it both ways."
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"In other words, they do not have a clergy, until it is convenient to have one."
10 thumbs up to LongHairGal and TonusOH. Isn't that the way it always is with Watchtower - they promote whatever idea suits them at any given moment.
I was actually raised in a church that had leaders who wore plain clothes. Not all churches have clergy with the fancy robes and such.
wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.
although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".
ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.
Yes, absolutely, elders are clergy.
JW elders have much more control over the lives of JWs than most clergy have over their flocks.
"...the Witnesses have no paid clergy"
Not all clergy are paid.
Watchtower claims no clergy simply to set themselves apart from other churches, appearing on the surface to be different. It is simply a sales pitch, and a pretty tired one at that.
my name is ari matthew davies.
i am a life experience consultant counselor i have a doctor's degree theology psychology clinical addictions and computer sciences.
i am also baptized as well as jehovah's witnesses.. if you have a question i've got a lot of experience and a lot of real life training.
I am a life experience consultant counselor...
I am also baptized as well as Jehovah's witnesses.
I take it your primary language is not English, otherwise how could you be so highly educated and speak such terrible English?
I try to avoid the door knocking yes I'm a big chicken in that area!
Lol when I look up Bible scriptures I use a standard King James Bible. Just because it's the most common Bible out there.
You don't sound like a Jehovah's Witness at all.
I also can help you if you have a chemical addiction problem I provide free counsel to a point and low cost training by cash app.
https://cne.news/article/2827-court-case-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-kicked-off.
norwegian jehovah's witnesses are in court this wednesday and thursday.
they are fighting the government's decision to remove their registration as a religious community.. .
Goatlike Personality is one of my favorite Youtubers!
https://cne.news/article/2827-court-case-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-kicked-off.
norwegian jehovah's witnesses are in court this wednesday and thursday.
they are fighting the government's decision to remove their registration as a religious community.. .
It's hypocritical of them to demand religious freedom while denying it to others.
This has got to be one of the biggest hypocricies in the world of religion - Watchtower denies its own followers the same freedom of religion that it insists on for itself.
mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
"Please continue to pray incessantly for the brothers and sisters who went through this traumatic experience..."
and
"We are convinced that Jehovah is our secure refuge in times of distress."
Pray for the ones who went through this experience? It's a little late isn't it, since the main ones who went through this 'traumatic experience' are now dead. A lot of good being at a KH meeting did them, where Jehovah's angels did not protect them.
And "Jehovah is our refuge in times of distress?" Really? It doesn't always work, does it?
What empty language.
Is that letter actually real? It's from Watchtower, so I suppose it could be.
to most, being disfellowshiped is a terrible loss of friends family and god's perceived approval.
but not to mark jones.
in his words..... the best way i can describe it, is like when you leave highschool for the last time.
Blondie: ...Israelites were put to death, thus their family could not talk to them. That the disfellowshipped should be considered as dead. Did anyone else hear that?
Absolutely, I remember that. JWs are taught that 'if you are disfellowshipped you are dead in God's eyes and you are dead to us too,' thus they are not allowed to speak to a df'd person, not even their own family.
https://www.fox43.com/article/news/crime/sexual-abuse-of-children-jehovahs-witness-pennsylvania/521-1d54cc2e-3ec6-4d20-b67a-fc3c5e8f2580.
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-02-07-presentment-2_7_23.pdf.
From the first link in the opening post...
Victim advocacy group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said the organization itself needed to be held accountable.
"Officials within the faith that knew of this abuse did nothing. To me that’s complicit. And being complicit in crimes like these is sometimes as equal to the crime itself," said SNAP Communications Manager Mike McDonnell.
Amen to that. The Watchtower Organization is complicit in these crimes - because of it's child sexual abuse policies, including failure to report CSA to authorities - and definitely needs to be held accountable.
isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?
or have they stopped publishing it?
did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?
@ Disillusioned JW,
Thanks for all the information on the growth of nondenominational churches. That was very enlightening.
