That's very good Sizemik. I'm not sure Mankelli has room for the common sense and truthfulness expdressed in your post...he/she/it seems so slanted and disingenuous in his rematks...but the truth of what you have said rings true to many, many people who have had the Watchtower experience.
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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice
by mankkeli inon this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.
for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.
what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.
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Are you sure joining or staying is a wise decision? Lurkers think twice. Part 1
by NewChapter ini'd like to call lurkers attention to the need of being discreet when contemplating joining or staying in the the jw religion.
my general observations on active jw's and how their lives are going.
the majority of them relate many beautiful ways their lives have turned out after joining but they refused to mention how rough and tough the journey truly is., here in america, we have received reports of many jws who terminated their lives because of the difficulty of coping with the cultish shunning and abandoment of those they love.
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The longer people stay in the Watchtower, the more problems they have after leaving. Those who leave sooner have far fewer problems.
Why?
Because the longer you are in the more friendships you develop, and the more family you have in the religion. When you leave, even if it's for a good reason, those friends and family are instructed to shun you. It's this treatment -- the same treatment that most cults give -- that leads to the depression that causes some to harm themselves.
The Watchtower is not a lifesaver. It is a killer.
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Jehovahs Witnesses should take part in non-military national service.Latest news from Sweeden
by Hairyhegoat indefence minister wallin: jehovahs witnesses should take part in non-military national service .
omkt/omktstefan wallin, minister of defence print thisthe exemption from the obligation of military service granted to the jehovahs witnesses is unfair, and should be abolished, minister of defence stefan wallin (swedish peoples party) told the finnish commercial television channel mtv3 on wednesday.. in wallins opinion, the jehovahs witnesses could perform a non-military national service in their congregations.. .
jehovahs witnesses, who refuse to take part in the military service or any of its non-military alternatives (siviilipalvelus, see link below) for reasons of conscience, were exempted from the compulsory national service in 1987. well the jw's in sweeden better get used to having to comply with this very soon then.
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I could not imagine sitting in prison b/c of an org that compromised the very belief for which I must suffer punishment.
Yes, Band, many JWs have sacrificed, even died, to maintain Christian neutrality, while the Society itself has thumbed it's nose at the same concept by becoming an NGO supporter of the UN.
This is one of the issues that really opened my eyes to the true nature of the WTS.
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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice
by mankkeli inon this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.
for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.
what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.
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I am not pulling legs, I am reporting on what I have sincerely observed.
No, you are not.
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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice
by mankkeli inon this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.
for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.
what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.
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I am only repoorting what I have observed .
You are not very observant.
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why JWs doesn't celebrate birthday?
by vientotz ini'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
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@ Vientotz, who said,
@scenicviewer -I just read your PM =) It's not that I don't get what you've said, hmm. =) All JW's are aware of that right?
No, all JWs are not aware of the Watchtower involvement with the UN. When the WTS became an NGO it was very much in secret; only a few in organization management knew of it. The millions of JWs around the world were not informed.
In addition, the WTS has never addressed the issue to JWs; there was not even one article in the Watchtower, Awake!, or any other publication explaining this action. To me this is proof that the WTS is not associated with the "faithful and discreet slave." The job of the "slave," as JWs see it, is to "give food at the proper time" (spiritual food), explaining issues, answering questions, and that is supposed to come from the Watchtower's governing body. If there ever was something that needed to be addressed, explained, it is the NGO issue. But the WTS has been completely silent on this topic to it's people. The only remark made publically was a brief statement from the legal department saying the WTS became an NGO to get library priveleges at the UN.
(The JWs who know about it, learned it from following news articles or from reading forums like this one on the internet. Vientotz, are you aware that JWs are strongly warned not to search for information on the internet about their religion? This is the organization's way of controlling what it's people know. To simply read information here, on this site, is a violation of what the WTS teaches.)
Many JWs left the organization when they found out about the NGO because it represented such a clear double standard in belief. Most JWs still are still not aware of what happened, and if the Society explained it in the Watchtower or Awake!, it would simply inform more of them, and many more would leave the organization because of the hypocrasy of it all.
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why JWs doesn't celebrate birthday?
by vientotz ini'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
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Vientotz, you have another PM.
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why JWs doesn't celebrate birthday?
by vientotz ini'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
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@ Veintotz
I'm a little confused about something here. In this thread (your 8th post), you said
...even my mom disagree of having a bible study with them...
But in another post, here (your 11th post), you said
My main goal in joining JW's bible study is to be KIND XD especially to my mom!
So, are you having the study to please your Mom? Or is she against it?
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Attorney: 'Fear Of Jehovah Witness Family Drove Mom To Drown Baby' -- (CBS)
by Spittn4Cash insanta ana (cbs) a young fullerton mom is headed to prison on friday for drowning her newborn baby in a toilet.. knx 1070s mike landa reports yanira valderrama, 21, was sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of child abuse and inflicting great bodily injury.. .
valderrama was reportedly embarrassed by her pregnancy and attempted to conceal it from her jehovah witness family, a deputy public defender said.. orange county prosecutor steve mcgreevy said valderramas baby boy drowned when she gave birth into a bathroom toilet on sept. 4, 2009.. there was a lot of bleeding and shock, and she unfortunately didnt act well and left the baby underwater for an extended period of time so that the baby could never get oxygen, said mcgreevy.. she eventually removed the baby from the toilet, wrapped his lifeless body, and put the baby in a wastebasket in her bedroom, mcgreevy said.. later that night, the defendants mother saw blood in the bathroom, found the discarded placenta and called police, who found the newborn in the trash can.. valderrama was taken to a hospital, where doctors confirmed she had just given birth, according to prosecutors.. .
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It happens to many people, not just witnesses.
Yes it does. But this does show that Witnesses are really no different from other people. Being God's clean people, being no part of the world, having a spiritual paradise that no one else has, it's all an empty concept, peddled to the faithful by an organization that masquerades as true religion.
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Father Judge goes mad, beats disabled daughter in front of Mother!
by Cagefighter inhow many born-ins can relate to this scene?.
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20111102/241931_judge-william-adams.htm.
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The only question to me is, how many years should that man spend in jail?
The article attempts to protect the wife, but she was involved too. Good for her for eventually leaving the marriage, but she is responsible for what she did in that video.