Posts by ScenicViewer

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Marginal Notes in the 'Shepherd the Flock of God'

by Londo111 in

elders of the jeroboam/conscious class, .

it is my understanding, correct me if i am wrong, that during the km school, the instructors have elders write notes in the margins of the shepherd book, notes that legal does not want in print, and perhaps by extension, extra tidbits they don't want leaked to the public and/or average witness.. .

can you share some of these from the latest km school?.

ScenicViewer

@ Cantleave (I think), who said

I have a PDF of the old book with all the marginal notes from the elders school (s).

Is this posted on the internet where we can download it?

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I have a question regarding" free" magazines

by smiddy in

jw
friends

since they no longer charge for mags at the doors do the publishers carry this cost ?i used to be a literature servant and you never gave away mags unless they were old and out of date to be left at doctors waiting rooms etc.

not at peoples homes ,otherwise householders would expect to get them for free.

in other words do the publishers pay for the mags and give them away for free?

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Ziddina said,

So I suspect that they don't receive a significant amount from "worldly" people; it must be coming primarily from the already impoverished rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses...

I think in most cases you are right. I would occassionally get a small donation, but usually not. Regardless of donations, I believe the Society bills the congregations for the mags and other literature. (Someone correct me if I am wrong. Any literature servants here?)

Anyone can pick up their mags for free, but they still get paid for through congregation donations.

Then, any donation money received from the field also gets donated to the Society.

The Society gets paid coming and going.

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I have a question regarding" free" magazines

by smiddy in

jw
friends

since they no longer charge for mags at the doors do the publishers carry this cost ?i used to be a literature servant and you never gave away mags unless they were old and out of date to be left at doctors waiting rooms etc.

not at peoples homes ,otherwise householders would expect to get them for free.

in other words do the publishers pay for the mags and give them away for free?

ScenicViewer

Twisty said,

"...making sure not to deprive the householfers of an opportunity to contribute at the doors."

Oh, that is funny! It is perfect Watchtower thinking!

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Do YOU Believe That JWs Have A Huge Problem With Pedophiles?

by minimus in

i don't think there are more pedophiles in the religion than there are in others.. i understand that one is too many.

but i think some believe that it's an epidemic within the organization.

i believe their 2 witness rule can help pedophiles secretly abuse kids.. but i don't think that this particular crime dominates those in the religion.. .

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blond-moment said,

The issue is how pedophiles are dealt with. The 2 witness rule protects the pedophile...

That is a very important point. The way the Watchtower handles such cases is a complete mis-application of the 2 witness rule. There will virtually never be 2 witnesses to such an event. In the end, what the WTS is really protecting besides, the pedophile, is itself, it's own image.

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Do YOU Believe That JWs Have A Huge Problem With Pedophiles?

by minimus in

i don't think there are more pedophiles in the religion than there are in others.. i understand that one is too many.

but i think some believe that it's an epidemic within the organization.

i believe their 2 witness rule can help pedophiles secretly abuse kids.. but i don't think that this particular crime dominates those in the religion.. .

ScenicViewer

I don't think there are more pedophiles in the religion than there are in others.

No doubt that's true, but that really isn't the point of paedophilia among JWs. The WTS has printed much material condemning other religious groups, especially Catholics, for pedophiles that exist in them. At the same time the Organization was covering up it's own problem with child molestors.

The WTS insists that Jehovah's Witnesses enjoy a spiritual paradise that no other religion on earth has, that it's people are being protected by Jehovah.

The reality is, they are no different. There is no spiritual paradise. There is no special protection.

The Watchtower's cover up of it's own pedophiles was for no other reason than to promote it's own 'public image.' The organization doesn't care about people, not even children. It only cares about it's own growth, prosperity, and success as a religion. People are simply used to achieve that goal.

People find this objectionable because of the extreme hypocrisy involved, not because of the total number of pedophiles.

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Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

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@ Hamsterbait

I remember that thread. Actually, the director of the Australian branch was moved to Poland just before the elders were told to comply with the law, and a new man was brought into Australia. Maybe the one moved to Poland had something to hide, or maybe the Society figured the new man in Australia would be more capable of handling the the situation. I don't think anyone knows for sure.

There's no new info as far as I know.

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Christmas Origins VS. Watchtower's 1914

by Butterflyleia85 in

ok sooo this of course has nothing to do with each other but the reasoning is beneficial for critical thinkers.

christmas is one of the most popular holidays that has spread throughout the world.

what one can think is that this holiday must have its significance, yes greatly influenced but in order for something to be so influenced it has to have ground of truth and honesty behind it.

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Christmas I found...farther roots then the 3rd and 4th Century. Its origin dates back to 202 C. E!

The Watchtower will say that the Great Apostasy began right after the apostles died, at the very end of the 1st Century or early in the 2nd Century. The belief is, the apostles acted as a restraint against apostasy, and after they were gone apostasy flourished.

So, if Christmas dates back to 202 C.E. they will still say it is the result of apostate Christianity, which had been building for 100 years by that time.

The pyramid connection to 1914 is very interesting.

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Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

ScenicViewer

A question here.

AndersonsInfo said,

"The meeting attendance sign outside the Traralgon Congregation has been pulled down and removed from public display following a personal visit in November by the Australian Branch Overseer..."

Does anyone know the Society's strategy in removing the sign? Is it to make it appear that the Traralgon congregation no longer exists?

I can see from web photos that the sign is indeed gone now.

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Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

ScenicViewer

Here is a little bit of irony.

The Traralgon K.H. is located next to a Precshool that says "Child Health Center" on the sign by the sidewalk.

(Use the scroll bar on the last pic to see it all.)

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Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

ScenicViewer

Smiddy asked,

Why hasn`t the office of prosecutions taken over this case from the outset ?

Why is it left to a private individual to bear this responsibility ?

Those are the same questions I've had. One relpy I got a couple of months ago had to do with the legal system being fairly jammed, and prosecutions are an expensive drain on taxpayers. I'm not completely satisfied with that answer since the protection of children should take a high priority. Otherwise, why have the law in the first place?

Apparently the police were involved before Steven Unthank, but after a brief investigation they decided not to prosecute. Now, thanks to Unthank pursuing the case, it seems to be getting much more police attention, and a more in depth investigation. I take this as a positive sign. I am hoping for some guilty verdicts in the end.