Posts by ScenicViewer

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Proof of the 75' incident

by iamwhoiam in

ok, am i correct in saying that the fds never stated armegedon was coming in 75'?

however, they led everyone to believe it was coming in 75'?.

if the latter question is true, can you provide links to talks or articles that point to this?

ScenicViewer

@rebel8,

"...the petting zoo is coming before xmas comes next, so I wouldn't miss anything."

Now that seems funny, but sad at the same time. What a terrible thing to say to kids. The manupulative control of this religion is horrifying.

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Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read

by flipper in

jw
friends

i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.

notice this on pg.

38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

ScenicViewer

@ NVR2L8,

You are right, there is a space to put your name, and date and place of baptism. This is only in the 3rd version of the book, but all 3 editions had questions for baptism.

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I miss Outlaw.

by Chariklo in

jw
friends

someone mentioned outlaw to me the other day.. i do miss him.

i thought he was coming back after a break.. does anyone have an update?.

ScenicViewer

I miss the laughs. No one's funnier than Outlaw.

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Proof of the 75' incident

by iamwhoiam in

ok, am i correct in saying that the fds never stated armegedon was coming in 75'?

however, they led everyone to believe it was coming in 75'?.

if the latter question is true, can you provide links to talks or articles that point to this?

ScenicViewer

(The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How? (book, 1971) p 216, par 9)

9 Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.

So, Armageddon, aka the “battle in the day of Jehovah," was supposed to begin sometime between 1971 and 2000.

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Proof of the 75' incident

by iamwhoiam in

ok, am i correct in saying that the fds never stated armegedon was coming in 75'?

however, they led everyone to believe it was coming in 75'?.

if the latter question is true, can you provide links to talks or articles that point to this?

ScenicViewer

hamsterbait, Thanks for the information!

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Proof of the 75' incident

by iamwhoiam in

ok, am i correct in saying that the fds never stated armegedon was coming in 75'?

however, they led everyone to believe it was coming in 75'?.

if the latter question is true, can you provide links to talks or articles that point to this?

ScenicViewer

hamsterbait,

They said Armageddy would come before the end of the 20th century ("Nations shall Know" book)

Do anyone know where it's found in that book?

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Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read

by flipper in

jw
friends

i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.

notice this on pg.

38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

ScenicViewer

I have the 2010 WT Library CD and the 1972 book "Orginization" is not on it.

There have been at least 3 different Organization books.

The earliest one (1972) is the one that pertains to this thread.

I checked my 2009 Watchtower CD, and not even the latest one (2005) is on it. I have no idea why.

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Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read

by flipper in

jw
friends

i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.

notice this on pg.

38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

ScenicViewer

Is this information hypocritical on Watchtower's part, since it favors elders?

The Watchtower magazine says this,

"Jehovah is not pleased with acts of worship carried out by individuals who are concealing serious sins. On the contrary, such hypocrisy angers him." —Prov. 21:27; Isa. 1:11-16 (W 12-15-08 p11, par16)

Apparently “concealing serious sins” amounts to “hypocrisy that angers [Jehovah], unless you are an elder; then the rules change. Is Jehovah angered only at ordinary publishers, not elders, who do this. The Society seems to think so.

And Jehovah's Witnesses insist that Class Distinctions do not exist among them.

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Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read

by flipper in

jw
friends

i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.

notice this on pg.

38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

ScenicViewer

Here are some scans from the literature.

As mentioned by daringhart13, 1972 was a key year.

The Organization book (1972) said that if an elder committed a serious sin "some years ago," and it was found out, he should be removed.

The Kingdom Ministry, October 1972, explained that "some years ago" meant 2 or 3 years, although it was not an exact number. However, if the sin was committed 3 years ago or more, then the elder did not need to be removed.

How in the world they arrived at these numbers is anybody's guess.

"Organization For Kingdom-Preaching And Disciple-Making" (1972) p170, par2

"Kingdom Ministry", Oct 1972, Question Box p8

I'm not sure what was said on this topic between 1972 and 2010, but here it is in the latest Elder's Manual.

"Shepherd the Flock of God" p38 (2010 Elder's Manual)

Notice that "child abuse" would only "likely," not definitely disqualify him, for "many years," not permanently.

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Just wanted to say hello

by Suraj Khan in

i've only very recently discovered this site and have been reading many compelling personal accounts and testimonials.

i'd like to share my own as well.. i was born into 'the truth' in the early 1970s.

along with my several (fleshly) brothers and sisters, i went through the usual travails of a witness boy - not celebrating birthdays, not pledging allegiance to the flag, not singing christmas carols in the class chorus.

ScenicViewer

Welcome Suraj!

It's nice to hear that the experiences related on this site have been beneficial to you.

Have you discovered other sites, perhaps ones that closely examine JW teachings, doctrines, etc? There are many, so if you need direction on something just mention it. People here are quick to give helpful direction to whatever questions you may have.

Congrats on your successful life since leaving the Watchtower!