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  JUST finished The Gentile Times Reconsidered!

  by FaceTheFacts in

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  having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.

  so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?

  be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  FaceTheFacts,

  The thread should be up today.

  I'll be watching for it!
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  JUST finished The Gentile Times Reconsidered!

  by FaceTheFacts in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.

  so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?

  be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  Since you are only using this thread to judge interest, count me in as wanting to read your thoughts, and others' responses, on Gentile Times Reconsidered.

  Recovery, StillRecovery, OlinMoyle48 and Ethos would start threads promising comments on a subject that never came. Their posts would usually deteriorate into arguments that had nothing to do with the promised topic despite many posters showing interest. This made them appear to be confrontational and argumentative, beneath a facade of sincerity, which may have something to do with why they were banned.

  I hope this isn't going to be another one of those.

  When will you start the comments?
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  JUST finished The Gentile Times Reconsidered!

  by FaceTheFacts in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.

  so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?

  be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  FaceTheFacts,

  Face The Facts is one of my fav Rutherford-era publications as well. Hope that clears that up for ya.

  Londo111

  From page 46: "Would it be Scripturally proper f or them [the Great Crowd] to now marry a nd begin to rear children? No, is the answer, which is supported by the Scriptures."

  Londo111, thanks for the download link.

  I read some of the booklet under the topic of marrying and having children. Jonadabs (other sheep) were encouraged to wait to marry and have children. Why? Because armageddon was only a few years away!

  (Face The Facts p50 par1)
  “Those Jonadabs who now contemplate marriage, it would seem, would do better if they wait a few years, until the fiery storm of Armageddon is gone, and to then, enter the marital relationship and enjoy the blessings of participating in filling the earth with righteousness and perfect children.”

  FaceTheFacts, that booklet is now one of my favorites too, if you get my meaning. Armageddon was always just around the corner and peoples lives were seriously impacted by the false hope.

  Frankly though, there isn't much difference between any of the Rutherford era books and booklets that I can see.

  I'm wondering, why would you adopt the name of a booklet that promoted such embarrassing false teachings? What exactly makes it your favorite?
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  New letter RE public witnessing.. omg they are setting up stands!!!

  by BigE in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this link contains news of a letter sent to the elders about witnesses setting up stands to peddle literature in public places!

  how desperate are they?

  it sounds sad honestly... and they are told not to argue with apostates .

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  ScenicViewer

  What's old is new again.

  Literature stands have been used before, although it's been a while.

  Notice the message that was being peddled prior to 1925. Today's Watchtower information will be about as reliable.

  - Millions now living will never die.
  - You may be one of them.
  - The World has ended!
  - The Golden Age is here!
  - This means what it says!
  - It is a fact!

  
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  A Rant By A Householder Upset By the JW's Constant Visiting

  by Bangalore in

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  a rant by a householder upset by the jw's constant visiting.. http://britpoptarts.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/those-darn-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  bangalore.

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  ScenicViewer

  That article is hilarious!

  - I’ve had 20+ years of being stalked and harassed by these knobheads. It’s got to stop.

  - I’m sick of picking up water-logged lumps of cheap paper tracts out of my bushes, off my lawn, and off my driveway

  - The JW tracts are worse than Pennysavers because they don’t courteously pre-wrap them in a plastic sleeve, perfect for toting directly to the garbage can.

  - ...they decide that “NO SOLICITING” signs can’t possibly refer to them. In truth, they are the ONLY reason we folks in the neighborhood posted the signs.

  - I daresay that there are very, very few teenagers capable of teaching me much about life.

  Much more there.
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  Making Your Lick Clinkable

  by watson in

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  why is it so many of us have a problem making our licks clinkable?.

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  ScenicViewer

  Making your lick clinkable?
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  Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

  http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

  splash.

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  ScenicViewer

  A couple of questions for Reslight2,

  1) You wrote,

  "Since Russell, who was never speaking on behalf an authoritarian religious organization such the Jehovah's Witnesses, and who disclaimed [b]eing a prophet..."

  Q1, Do you have a reference where Russell disclaimed being a prophet?

  2) You wrote,

  We begin with the announcement of his change of view in 1904:
  
  We now expect that the anarchistic culmination of the great time of trouble which will precede the Millennial blessings will be after October, 1914 A.D.–very speedily thereafter, in our opinion –”in one hour,” “suddenly.” — Universal Anarchy: Just Before or After October, 1914 A.D.? ZWT, July 1, 1904, page 197, Reprints 3389, http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/htdb0350.htm

  Q2, Even if Russell correctly changed his understanding that 1914 would be the start of trouble rather than the end of it, we are almost 100 years beyond his prediction that the Millennial blessings would happen 'speedily, in one hour, suddenly, thereafter.' Since nothing happened soon after 1914, why wouldn't he still be a false prophet, teaching his wrong understandings as truth?

  3) Regarding the expected return of Christ in 1874, (No Q here, but a comment)

  You wrote,

  The Watch Tower Society (which did not come into existence until 1881) in the days of Russell never made any prediction at all concerning Christ's "Second Coming". Nor did Russell himself ever make any prediction at all concerning Christ's Second Coming. In 1876, about two years after 1874, Russell accepted Barbour's conclusion that Christ had already returned in 1874, and Russell held to that belief until he died in 1916.

  You sound as though Russell himself was not a proponent, nor did he preach about, 1874 being the date of Christ's return, that it was all Barbour's fault and that Russell himself was neutral regarding that date.

  The quote below shows that Bro. Keith, one of Russell's "contributors," was "used by the Lord" to give an answer as to why 1873/1874/1875 failed to see Christ's return. Parousia was discovered, and the return was understood by Russell and his followers, from that point on, to have happened invisibly. He considered it "new light" that 1874 was the time that Christ returned invisibly, which "caused all of the former “light” to shine with tenfold brightness."

  The point here is that Russell was very much behind the 1874 date for Christ's return.

  (W Feb, 1881 p188 par 2 of Reprints)
  Looking back to 1871, we see that many of our company were what are known as Second Adventists, and the light they held briefly stated, was that there would be a second advent of Jesus -- that he would come to bless and immortalize the saints, to judge the world and to burn up the world and all the wicked. This, they claimed would occur in 1873, because the 6,000 years from the creation of Adam were complete then.
  But prophecies were found which pointed positively to 1874 as the time when Jesus was due to be present, and the resurrection of Daniel was also due as proved by the ending of the jubilee cycles and the 1335 days of Dan. xii.
  
  Carefully they [Second Adventists] examined the chronology but it seemed faultless and positively declared that the 6,000 years ended in 1873... Was an error found? No…the “1335 days” of Daniel could not possibly be prolonged beyond the fall of ‘74 or the spring 1875 and these periods were both past.

  (Continuing with par 5)
  Just at this time Bro. Keith, (one of our contributors) was used of the Lord to throw another beam of light on the subject which brought order out of confusion and caused all of the former “light” to shine with tenfold brightness. Brother K. had been reading carefully Matthew xxiv chapter, using the “Emphatic Diaglott,”…37th and 39th verses… “For as the days of Noah thus will be the presence of the son of man….thus will be the presence of the Son of Man.”
  
  His surprise was, at finding that the Greek word parousia which signifies presence, had in our common version been improperly rendered coming, but the new rendering showed that it was not the act of coming that resembled the days of Noah, but that as in Noah‘s days…it would be at the time of Jesus’ presence at the second advent.
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  Will the Watchtowers growth in the third world keep them around for decades to come?

  by tootired2care in

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  i suspect the wt is going to continue to see slowing growth in all western lands as time goes on.

  it seems to me though that there is so many potential suckers out there in the third world that will keep coming into the wt because of lack of internet, education or falling victim to love bombing as many of us did here at one time.

  i think it's going to get really tough for them as the western land money dries up though.

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  Jam

  I don,t see much of a growth in third world. My reason, the family unit.

  You make a good point about families; they are very tight in some cultures. That may be a tough row to hoe for Watchtower in some areas. I hope so!
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  Will the Watchtowers growth in the third world keep them around for decades to come?

  by tootired2care in

  1. watchtower
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  i suspect the wt is going to continue to see slowing growth in all western lands as time goes on.

  it seems to me though that there is so many potential suckers out there in the third world that will keep coming into the wt because of lack of internet, education or falling victim to love bombing as many of us did here at one time.

  i think it's going to get really tough for them as the western land money dries up though.

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  ScenicViewer

  Third World countries may keep the Organization growing in numbers, but they can't support themselves financially in the organization. Financial growth will have to come from a different place.

  Contributions from the wealthy countries will help, but they seem to be declining. I think real estate sales will be the major source of income that carries the Society forward. The Brooklyn properites alone are worth about 1 Billion dollars, which is enough money to go for decades.

  http://therealdeal.com/blog/2010/07/01/a-heavenly-portfolio/
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  JWs exposed in Norway

  by InquiryMan in

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  2. beliefs

  during the past week, 17 different articles on various practices of jws and comments to those, have been published on the web page of the norwegian equivalent of the bbc, nrk: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.8397366.

  in addition to this a special news programme with a discussion on sexual abuse and jw was broadcast on nrk2, and p1 contained an interview with an ex-jw on its weekly news summary programme.. it seems the expose is continuing..

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  ScenicViewer

  Baltar447, thanks for the tip. I'll give Google Chrome a try!