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  interesting EX-CO AMA ( Ask Me Anything) over on exjwreddit

  by Diogenesister in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ex-circuit overseer here, ama.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6usaky/excircuit_overseer_here_ama/.

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  ScenicViewer

  ...the smoothest talking religious sales speech in history.

  That is the perfect description of the Watchtower religion.
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  The special talk is now BEFORE the Memorial

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  august 11, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: 2018 memorial invitations and date of special talk .

  fyi:.

  the 2018 memorial will be held on saturday, march 31, 2018.. the 2019 memorial will be held on friday, april 19, 2019..

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  From the letter...

  In order to generate enthusiasm for the Memorial, the special talk will be presented one
  week before the Memorial, during the week of March 19, 2018.

  Could Watchtower be trying to control the number of partakers? I would bet you dollars to donuts the talk includes information on not partaking of the emblems. That has gotten way out of hand and has become an embarrassment to the Organization.
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  Glen Campbell

  by glenster in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  rip april 22, 1936 – aug.8, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rucysj4ibwi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkzk9pxmio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxojkdqdnbi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/glen_campbell.

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  ...there was rumor a few decades ago that his parents were Dubs, I doubt that just for the sake of some more witnesses starting another false rumor...

  Your doubts are well founded. Campbell's parents were members of the Church of Christ, which is how Glen was raised. After he had success Glen built a Church - a Church house as they usually call it - close to his parent's house so they could walk to church. This was mentioned in a documentary that I saw a couple of years ago.

  I suppose it's possible that a sibling or two could have had an association with JWs, but Church of Christ members are devout haters of anything Jehovah's Witness.
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  Glen Campbell

  by glenster in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  rip april 22, 1936 – aug.8, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rucysj4ibwi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkzk9pxmio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxojkdqdnbi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/glen_campbell.

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  I liked Glen Campbell's music in the '60s, but I came to be a much bigger fan after he got sick. I saw a couple of documentaries about him and was surprised to learn of his guitar playing talent.

  Tommy Smothers, who hired Campbell to host the Smothers Brothers summer replacement show, said he was "a prodigy on the guitar," and he meant that literally. He started playing at 10, learning what he could from musical family members, then went on the road at 16 in his uncles band where he learned much more. Not long after that he was in Los Angeles working as a studio musician with a loose knit group of session players who, at some point, became known as the Wrecking Crew.

  Since he was not formally trained in music he couldn't read it. Carol Kaye, a studio bandmate, talented in her own right, said...

  "He was a fantastic guitarist, playing mainly by ear, but his great singing voice caught us all by surprise later on. [...] A couple of times, I had to hum him his parts when he whispered ‘How does this go?’ He did well with chord charts, though, did some great guitar solos and was fantastic on the record dates.

  He played on records of the biggest artists of the time. Rock & Roll and pop singers such as Elvis Presley, The Beach Boys, Ricky Nelson, Jan and Dean, The Righteous Brothers, Sam Cooke, Simon and Garfunkle, The Vogues, Sonny and Cher, The Monkees and Country artists Roger Miller and Merle Haggard, as well as the polished crooners such as Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Nat King Cole are just a sample of the work he did as a studio player.

  His great singing voice and the ability to pick good songs for himself led to a couple of big hits, after which he was off and running as a solo artist. He became one of the first major cross over artists between Country and Pop. Singer and fiddleist (???) Charlie Daniels said...

  ...Campbell “filled a niche in American music that very few people have ever reached … He represented the best of the pop and the best of country, and he pulled people in from both sides. It was a great thing for country music, and frankly, for pop music”.

  If you have Netflix you can search for two documentaries that include him.

  1) Glen Campbell, I'll Be Me. It deals with his Alzheimer's disease from the diagnosis of it to his last performance.

  2) The Wrecking Crew. It is the story of the session players, many of whom are interviewed including Campbell.
  
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  Before I left I said this in a WT answer

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this when i believed, i said no one really believes armageddon is imminent because we would sell our possessions and preach the remaining short time , i said we all like a each way bet.

  i was always a loose canon with the microphone.

  i once said if bible was in movie form jws would be forbidden to watch..

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  You've got some nerve Chook.
  

  I wonder how many listeners actually agreed with you silently. I'll bet some did. Armageddon has always been 'imminent' but has never come, in almost 140 years of the JW religion. More than a few are well aware of that even if they won't say it out loud.
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  The old "Book Study Group"

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the june 2004 kingdom ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a q&a item - "the congregation book study—why we need it.

  three years later, in 2007 - in the august kingdom ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "how the congregation book study arrangement helps us.

  but surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the book study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous: .

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  Yes, as redvip2000 says, we were always told that during the TRIBULATION, we would only be able to meet under ban in small group study home arrangements........stuckinarut2

  For the sake of a little history, redvip2000 and stuckinarut2 are absolutely right - the bookstudy was, among other things, meant to be a meeting place in times of persecution which was always 'just around the corner.' Below is a quote from the Watchtower magazine.
  

  “The Value of the Congregational Book Study.” Strategic location is important because of its being a service center; its conductor must set a good example in field service and be kind and patient. It serves as a training ground for new ones, to start out in the field and speak up at meetings. It is of special value in times of bans when only small groups can come together.” (W 10-1-53 p591) (bold added)
  

  Of course the Great Tribulation is still just around the corner but now it will have to happen without JWs having an organized place to meet. So sad.
  
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  Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.

  july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.

  it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.

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  Coincidence: Yesterday 7/17/17 7 earthquakes total ranging from 4.4 to 7.7.
  Today 5 earthquakes so far ranging from 4.1 to 5.3.
  Only stating a fact.

  But what is your point in "only stating a fact?" Aren't you implying that God caused all of these earthquakes as retribution for JWs being banned and losing their appeal in Russia?

  As Splash mentioned in his excellent post above, you should clarify what you are saying and own it, but instead you are being mushy, unclear, and spineless.

  Edited to add: And you are being more than a little superstitious, don't you think?
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  My non-belief actually make me a more moral person!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  no doubt we have all heard the statement from witnesses and christians in general that those who leave the faith only do so because they want to sin, or they feel guilty or whatever.... the reality is, i reckon we are all more "moral" now that we have left!.

  many of us contribute to humanitarian efforts, community groups, welfare groups, etc.. many of us actually do something tangible to assist people.. we don't look with critical eyes on them or their lives.. and most importantly, we do not joyfully await the mass genocide of men, women, children and babies by a petty, jealous, and tyrannical god!.

  thoughts?.

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  Now that I am out of the Org, I feel that I am far less judgmental, more eager to help people and just overall a nicer person.

  Ditto!
  
  
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  NWT - revised 1984 vs revised 2013 versions

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest 2013 revision the footnote of john chapter 8 states; a number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts omit vs 53 (of chapter 7) to chapter 8, vs. 11.. yet the 1984 revision quotes a similar footnote, however the passage of scripture is included in the text, albeit separately at the bottom.

  this passage of scripture is about the scribes and the pharisees who brought a woman that was accused of adultery before jesus to test him on the punishment to be meted out.

  then came his famous reply; let the one of you that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.. i just found it interesting that the wtbts would leave this out in the latest revision.

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  Information regarding meeting in small groups was removed.

  Watchtower's go-to scripture on meeting attendance is Heb 10:24, 25. In older NWTs that verse had several cross references listed (in the center column), some of which were removed in the revised NWT.

  In the image below notice that in the previous NWT, after the expression "gathering of ourselves together," there is a reference to the center column which has 4 scriptures noted. Then in the rNWT the same verse, after the words "meeting together," there are only 2 scriptures noted - Mt 18:20 and Acts 20:8 have been removed from the cross references.

  Why?

  

  Mt 18:20 is the main one of interest in this post. It says...

  "20 For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
  

  I would be interested in hearing Watchtower's explanation for removing this reference. Of course the official explanation and the real reason are probably two different things. In reality it appears that Watchtower's concept of Organization is being violated by this verse. Can you imagine Watchtower allowing Witnesses to break off into small groups, as small as 2 or 3, to have meetings? Absolutely not. Watchtower organizes all the meetings of JWs and tells you where and when to meet. Even though Jehovah supports it, the Bible supports it, and Jesus Christ supports it, the Governing Body would never allow such a thing.

  So, the cross reference to Mt 18:20 just haaad to go!
  

  (I suspect Watchtower would say that verse was meant for remote locations where only small groups could be formed, even though I can't find anything to that effect in the scripture.)

  (FYI, the other verse that was eliminated, Acts 20:8, tells of the young man Eutychus that fell asleep at a meeting (in vs 9) and fell out of a window. Maybe that reference was removed because it hits too close to home - Watchtower's meetings tend to be overly boring, putting people to sleep.)
  
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  Zalkin

  by the girl next door in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there may not be anyone on the planet that has inside information about watchtower abuse in regard to sexual child abuse than zalkin.

  he has been given a plethora of inside information but can not share it by order of the court.

  when will the courts lift this veil of protection for religious entities?

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  ...if we can keep things confidential for 5 years then it's all in the past...

  Sometimes less, as low as 2 years in some cases.