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  When did the Watchtower start the shunning?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband and i were talking about the shunning part that the jws do?

  where can i find more accurate information on this subject?

  i am mainly trying to learn when the whole practice started, and stuff like that.

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  ScenicViewer

  Shunning within the Watchtower society runs deep. It was only a matter of time before it became official policy.

  An excellent observation about Maria Russell being shunned before Watchtower officially taught shunning!
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  When did the Watchtower start the shunning?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband and i were talking about the shunning part that the jws do?

  where can i find more accurate information on this subject?

  i am mainly trying to learn when the whole practice started, and stuff like that.

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  The modern practice of disfellowshipping, and the shunning that accompanies it, started with the March 1, 1952 Watchtower magazine. Here are the articles.

  (Watchtower Magazine, March 1, 1952)
  Keeping the Organization Clean, p 131
  Propriety of Disfellowshiping, p137
  Sin Making Reinstatement Impossible, p145

  Just 5 years earlier, in the January 8, 1947 Awake Magazine, p27 & 28, the Organization strongly condemned the practice of 'excommunication,' which is acknowledged by Watchtower to be the same as disfellowshipping. That article said the following regarding (mainly) the Catholic Church's practice of excommunication (df'ing).

  How many of the things listed below are now a part of Watchtower practice?
  

  1. You are looked upon with the "blackest contempt."
  2. You are cursed with the Devil and his demons.
  3. Abandoning the Church's faith, or joining an offshoot of it, are reasons for excommunication.
  4. It is a part of canon [organization] law which the Heirarchy presents as "God's law."
  5. the 1947 article says that excommunication is unscriptural because it is not based on the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
  6. Excommunication should not be a "punishment" nor a "medical remedy" for sins committed.
  7. It is "foreign to Bible teachings."
  8. Excommunication has "pagan influence" and "superstitious" beliefs behind it.
  9. The practice was adopted by Catholics only after 325 A.D.
  10. It accompanies the growing "pretentions" of a heirarchy.
  11. It is used as a "weapon."
  12. It is used to gain "ecclesiastical power" through "secular tyrrany."
  13. Excommunicated people are viewer as "executed" and opposers are "impaled."
  14. It was used to control and punish those who "opposed the dictates" of the heirarchy.
  15. Excommunicated people lead a "doomed existence."
  16. Excommunicated people are "plotted against." Attacking their lives is "accounted virtuous."

  As a side point here is a remark from the article Keeping the Organization Clean, saying that Miriam (Moses' sister) was disfellowshipped for 7 days for being 'high-minded, proud and foolish' by being stricken with leprosy. Have you ever heard of anybody being df'd for just 7 days? Watchtower must have been reaching for any Biblical example it could find to support it's new teaching of disfellowshipping.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  There will be no fifth generation of jw’s in my family.

  by longgone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’m happy to say that, yet as always with the wts there is a price to be paid.

  i’ll explain how this is working out.there’s a new development in the family that’s making the final break possible, and sadly is where the penalty for leaving is going to happen.

  only one person of all the jw family history is left that could start a fifth, he’s my nephew.

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  ScenicViewer

  It's truly sad that your nephew will lose his family even if he isn't DA'd or DF'd, but cutting off the family lineage as slaves to the Watchtower religion is really good news!

  It's terrible that kids are lured into baptism as teenagers, or younger, and held to it as a "life long, binding, irrevocable contract" (I believe those are the words).

  All the best to you and your nephew as you navigate your way through this.
  
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  The chart below is from Daniel's Prophecy (1999), p. 284.

  According to Watchtower the identity of the Kings of the N and S keep changing. Figuring out who the Kings are is a guessing game.

  Deegee's post on the previous page shows that the Soviet bloc (USSR) was supposed to last until Armageddon, but Watchtower was clearly wrong about that.

  The footnote below in the chart below says, "Their identities become known only after the events start to occur," but even given the luxury of waiting until events start to occur to figure them out Watchtower still gets it wrong, despite the "Bible based insight" that the Watchtower organization claims to have. (see quote box below the chart)

  
  

  (Daniel's Prophecy, p280-281, par 21) (I couldn't get the quote box to work here so I simply used quotation marks below.)
  

  "21 With the disbanding of the Soviet Union in December 1991, the king of the north suffered a serious setback. Who will be this king when Daniel 11:44, 45 is fulfilled? Will he be identified with on of the countries that were part of the former Soviet Union? Or will he change identity completely, as he has done a number of times before? Will the development of nuclear weapons by additional nations result in a new arms race and have a bearing on the identity of that king? Only time will provide answers to these questions. We are wise not to speculate. When the king of the north embarks on his final campaign, the fulfillment of prophecy will be clearly discerened by all who have Bible-based insight."
  

  - "We are wise not to speculate."

  Of course Watchtower never stops speculating even when it claims not to be doing so.

  - "When the king of the north embarks on his final campaign, the fulfillment of prophecy will be clearly discerened..."

  By identifying the king of the north as Russia, Watchtower is saying the K of the N is now on his final campaign. Wow, Armageddon must be really close now. As always!

  - "...by all who have Bible-based insight." (continuing the above quote)

  The problem is, after all the wrong understandings, not only of who the Kings of the N and S are, but on so many other things Watchtower has taught, who can believe anything they say now?
  
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  Annual meeting topic

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?

  if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..

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  Been updating on Reddit ... Russia is king of the north.

  Watchtower is just mad at Russia for banning them and taking all their property, so Watchtower made Russia the big, bad King of the North - again!
  
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  Annual meeting topic

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?

  if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..

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  So doesn’t them announcing the king of the north mean the end is now officially coming?

  It's been "officially coming" for decades now!

  But this time it's REALLY officially coming. Right?
  
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  Leah Rimini on Jehovah's Witnesses

  by sparky1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just saw an ad last night for this.

  it will be televised in november on a&e..

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  Lately I've been wondering if this was still in the works. It's coming up much sooner than I expected. Great news!
  
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  What are they trying to hide

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok. we are all aware of the scandal around the non reporting of child abuse cases to the authorities by the elders and how it was part of watchtower policy.. this has probably been discussed before, which i apologize for now if it has.. the obvious view that most of us make as to why the gb are so reluctant to comply with the authorities by revealing their database around child abuse allegations, is that the leadership at watchtower hq likely were trying to safeguard the reputation of the organisation.. however, (just a theory) are they hiding something more sinister which could in effect devastate the organisation ie could it be they are hiding some things within the gb itself, whether it be some individuals within the gb of the past or even present who might have had some serious allegations made against them which the authorities are never going to know about?

  i mean why the hell are they going to such lengths to hide everything???.

  any thoughts?

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  ScenicViewer

  From the OP,

  ...could it be they are hiding some things within the GB itself ... who might have had some serious allegations made against them...

  The Organization has admitted that "some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization" have been involved in the practice of child molesting. Notice the word 'practice' is used, which means more than a one time offense.

  The Organization doesn't say who the "prominent" ones are.

  
  
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  TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS "Handling Cases of Drug Abuse" September 1, 2018

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jwglossary.blogspot.com/2018/09/to-all-bodies-of-elders-handling-cases.html.

  to all bodies of elders "handling cases of drug abuse".

  september 1, 2018. to all bodies of elders re: handling cases of drug abusedear brothers: as noted below, the procedure for handling the misuse of marijuana and the abuse of medi- cal, illicit, or addictive drugs has been adjusted to harmonize with the procedure for handling the misuse of tobacco.

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  ScenicViewer

  The pages below are from the 2010 edition of the Shepherding book. I'm not sure if there is a later version.

  Chapter 5, par 14, bullet 4 (continued on second scan below).
  

  

  Chapter 5, par 15

  
  
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  Pedophilia lawsuit in Quebec(Canada) updates

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  announcement: pedophilia: lawsuit against the watch tower in quebec, canada: need ex-jws presence at the montreal courthouse if you can: dec. 3, and more importantly dec. 17 and 18, 2018, probably 9am to 5pm.

  more details will follow.

  no need to be a victim.

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  ScenicViewer

  Is this the $60 million class action suit that was filed a few months back, or is it a different case?