Posts by ScenicViewer

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More Developments In Australia

by jonahstourguide in

some results of the royal commission in australia.

catholic church ellis defence scrapped in 'momentous day' for abuse survivorsby michelle brownposted about 2 hours ago john ellis speaks to the media outside the nsw supreme court.photo: john ellis, a former lawyer, tried to sue the catholic church for negligence (aap: paul miller)related story: nsw child abuse survivors to be allowed to sue churchesafter an 11-year battle, survivors of institutional child abuse locked out of suing for compensation will be able to launch civil claims from today.key points:the ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutionsthe move to scrap it came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.from today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.the so-called "ellis defence", which prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions, is today abolished after the nsw government removed a legal road block.the move came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.john ellis, whose failed court of appeal case against the catholic church in 2007 gave rise to the defence, has praised the government's action.

"it's fantastic news," he told the abc.

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The Ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions
The move to scrap it came after recommendations from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. (Bold added)

It's been said a few times that the Royal Commission, although doing good work in exposing child abuse, actually has no teeth to bring about change - a 'toothless tiger' I think it was called. This ruling proves just the opposite, that the ARC is influencing great change, and hopefully it will reach to Watchtower.

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2018-Annual Service Report!

by Atlantis in

if this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.

other news included.

zipped folder.

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...it took 7,363 hours of field service to produce one baptism. That's three and half years of full time work to make one baptized publisher.

And probably most of the baptisms were of born-ins, who were going to get baptized anyway. The number of hrs to bring someone in from the field would be much higher. That's pretty dismal for the Organization.

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How would you reason with a JW that it is okay to say Good Luck?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

any takers?.

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How would you reason with a JW that is okay to say Good Luck?

We can start by showing them what their own literature says.

(W 9-1-1980 QFR p30, par4) "Gamblers often magnify 'Lady Luck.' For them "luck" is not a word merely meaning good results, but is a superhuman influence like a god. Greed and pride move gamblers to trust in "luck."" (bold added)

It seems that saying 'luck' to simply mean good results is alright, but to rely on the God of Good Luck in serious ways, such as gambling, is off limits.

I don't know if Watchtower actually taught at one time that saying 'luck' in any fashion was bad because it was pagan, and later backed up on that, or if it was simply a myth that arose among Witnesses to begin with.

At any rate, when we say 'good luck' to someone, or 'wasn't I lucky because I found a dollar,' we simply mean good results.

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Did Ray Franz Help You To Get Out of “The Truth”?

by minimus in

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friends

i sneakily read his books at work.

it was written in such a way that no one could accuse him of being another bitter old apostate.. once it registered in my brain, especially after reading the second book, i knew i had to get out!.

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I had a look at one chapter of one of his books (I can't remember which one) on Amazon via their "Look Inside" feature. It was about blood transfusions.

The part that really hit me was whether taking a blood transfusion was the same as eating blood. The illustration he used was that if a man who was starving to death was given a transfusion would he be 'nourished' as if he had eaten something, or would he still be starving to death. Answer: He would still be starving to death, therefore eating blood and transfusing blood were two completely different things.

That had a major impact on me. Thank you Ray Franz!

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Have you seen these drawings against medical procedures?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

these come from the golden age of june 8, 1932:.

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...I have the list of all articles and mentions of vaccines... the list itself is 5 pages long!!

I would like to have a copy of that list - is it published somewhere? Do you have a link?

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Leah Remini Redux, Tonight Again in Prime Time

by Room 215 in

remini's program will be shown again tonight in the u.s. at 8:00 pm eastern time on a & e

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Check your TV listings for the specific time.

My provider is airing it at 6:00 PM Pacific Time - Xfinity (Comcast Fresno).

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Blood Transfusion Permitted

by Nevuela in

i just overheard an anointed acquaintance on the phone with a friend of hers who has just had surgery for cervical cancer.

among the snippets of dialogue i heard on my end of the line, these ones stood out:.

"you lost a lot of blood?

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"You did what you had to do to stay alive and take care of your kids."

This is the part that really gets me. How is that not also true of an active, baptised JW? Why do one's own life and the kids' welfare become meaningless after being baptised?

It's another typical double standard of Jehovah's Witnesses.

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

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The recommendations include the following: (1) Believe and support your child when he or she reports being sexually abused. (2) Explain to the child that he or she is not responsible for what happened. (3) Inform the child that what happened is against the law and that it is necessary to report it to the police so that it will not happen again.

They actually said that in the Awake? That's a jaw dropping revelation to me, I had no idea.
This is just one more example of JWs doing exactly the opposite of what they recommend that others do.

"(1) Believe and support your child when he or she reports being sexually abused." Yet Watchtower insists, within it's own organization, on having two eye witnesses before the child is really believed.

"(3) ... it is necessary to report it to the police so that it will not happen again." Isn't that the cruelest and most hypocritical of double standards since many JW molesters do it again and again specifically because police aren't notified when they get caught first time.

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

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Lessons: Jehovah is not to blame when those who claim to serve him ignore his standards and harm his people.

Huh? Nobody is blaming Jehovah. This is Watchtower's way of shifting blame from itself by saying "Now now, we must never blame Jehovah."

The blame for misapplying the Bible's two-witness rule to a situation where it was never intended, and for failing to notify the proper authorities when a child is abused, lies squarely on the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Governing Body.

Watchtower's real aim is to keep these issues quiet, swept under the rug, to try to save it's own image before the public, as posters here have been saying for a long time. I suppose that worked for decades but now it's backfiring on them.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

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It appears there are 11 people on the panel that are presumably all ex-JWs, so Lloyd Evans will not be the only one speaking out.

Is that ExJW Fifth, from Youtube, in the back row, left, of the second screen shot? I hope so because I like his interviews and his mild manner. I don't recognize most of these people on sight, but I might know them by their experiences or activism work if I knew their screen names or real names. Does anybody else know them?

I am hoping for an accurate, quality presentation on JWs, and based on Remini's other work I believe it will be that. Fingers crossed and looking forward to this.