Posts by aristeas

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Transcript of Annual Meeting Notes and events from unknown source

by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

they were married for some 51 years.

you cannot stand up against them in battle.

you cannot stand up against him in battle.

Mass defection possible?

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

there are many of us who are trapped within the religion and are looking at leaving.

i was wondering..... if there was an organized and well publicized effort to leave the organization en-masse on a certain date yet to be determined, how many do you think would participate?.

one person leaves the org and it creates a small ripple.

Maybe they don't qualify as a mass defection on one day, but the borg's history is full of times when large numbers left: when JFR took over, 1975, 1980. They've survived them all with little more than a ripple. Of course, you can always live in fantasyland and dream...

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Special day Last talk "No formula"

by MommieTiger in

this weekend at our special assembly day, let gods will take place the final talk was a head shaker.... the bethel speaker was quite entertaining when he joked @ the shortcomings of the elders.

he also made us laugh with the comment "we were told the end of the system is right around the corner, but we've found its been more than that, we've been around the blocks a few times.

" he told the young ones to make the truth their own by researching in the wtbts publication (only).

aristeas

Thanks for the share, Mommie Tiger! It's good to hear the latest propanganda from those still attending . The overall message sounds the same: we will try to appear somewhat 'liberal' but, of course, are certainly not. Just do what the borg tells you, believe what the borg tells you, and question nothing. They just dress it up however they want this week and that.

Please keep us informed as you attend meetings.

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Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

by ThomasCovenant in

for those with an interest.

http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/ .

aristeas

So how's your ancient Hebrew???

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JW's Thoughts on Medical Cannabis

by bushido8000 in

i've wondered this for sometime.

to all of the jws on the forum, what is your opinion on medical cannabis?

i support it for a couple of reasons.. 1. i've battled clinical depression since age 9. after my anti-depressants stopped working when i was 21, i heard about cannabis' positive effects on depression through the internet and a couple of documentaries so i tried it.

aristeas

Stuckin or anyone:

So then what's the 'logic' of the borg banning cannabis in lands where it's legal??

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2011 November Our Kingdom Ministry-PDF!

by Atlantis in

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credit goes to anonymous2011 november our kingdom ministry (and more).http://www.megaupload.com/?d=eq03rgzoatlantis

aristeas

Thx for the shares, Atlantis.

As the wall of secrecy continues to crumble, surely the heavies at Patterson are grinding their teeth. Nothing like the net to somewhat level the playing field...

Tim, maybe it's just too outdated. Since the borg rarely sees problems coming, the logical (?) conclusion is that some poor uninformed elder followed an old procedure outlined in the Organized book, and messed up. Put yourself in the borg heavies' shoes: would you really want some poor brother following ***OLD LIGHT*** — how blasphemous!

Most interesting is the list of other BOE letters to be 'destroyed'! What's up here? Surely they cannot all be 'old light'. Maybe statements in those letters could be used against them legally somhow ... (?)

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School for Congregation Elders

by C.O.B.E.Beef in

jw
friends

i attended the school late last year, and it was an emotional and mental rollercoaster for me.

i was already divided in my heart to say the least.

one of the instructors stayed in my home for the week, and my family genuinely enjoyed his company.

aristeas

COBEBeef,

Thanks for this share. It was quite insightful. One question: were you raised in or did you convert?

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WatchTowers emphasizing the divine name, Really?

by paulnotsaul in

we can agree on three things.

1) in exodus 3:13-14 moses asks god his name and who sent him to them.

god says his name is i am that i am.

aristeas

Some things to consider on Exodus 3:

ehyeh occurs several times around Ex 3:14 ( 3:12, 4:12 and 15) and with very few exceptions translators render this as a future tense in modern languages in all those other places. The context argues for a future sense: Moses is hardly playing the role of Isaiah here — 'here I am, send me!' Thus God/Yahweh/Jehovah is encouraging him (even gets angry with him) to put faith in him without God revealing his full plans. In other words, that biblical message of faith underlies the entire account. Again in most English translations the context is full of future verbs: 'I will bring up up...I will stretch out my hand...I will perform...I will bring', verses 17, 20-21. In Hebrew there is no difference between the present and future tense since Semitic languages have no tense system. Clearly the context argues for a future meaning at 3:14.

It is noteworthy that the first two English translations rendered directly from the Hebrew by Tyndale (1530) and Coverdale (1535) have the future tense in 3:14, but church tradition got in the way so that by the time of the KJV it was I AM, now in caps! The fact that the first two translators of this passage into English used a future is further strong evidence that this is the natural way to take ehyeh.

Many modern scholars admit this should be 'I will be' rather than 'I am". For example, Edward Greenstein, who wrote the notes in the Harper Collins Study Bible (2006), an edition of the NRSV has this, as does Michael Coogan, The Old Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Hebrew Scriptures (Oxford 2006) p. 87. Though dated, Joseph Rotherham's translation has an excellent discussion of this matter in the introduction and in his footnotes to the above verses.

The I AM thing stems from a traditional interest within the church to concoct yet another Trinitarian proof text.

Hope this serves to inform...

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Classics from the Watchtower archives Part 1

by dozy in

part 1 of an occasional series - contributions welcome.. .

is it desirable to make provisions in kingdom halls for a soundproof room to which disturbing children can be taken and in which the parent can hear and perhaps see the sessions and yet the child cannot disturb congregational meetings?g.e.,children should be in the congregation with their parents, and the children should behave themselves.

the parents should so train their children that they will behave.

aristeas

O K, so how many here are/were among such ' obstreperous offspring'? All you various 'its' out there!

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The Nov 1 public WT on 587 V 607. help please

by Aussie Oz in

not being up with this stuff very well,.

could somebody disect the extensive article and arguments the wt uses in this edition please?.

i suspect from this being in the public edition, they are getting flack at the doors for this...the internet is a huge research and awareness problem for them no doubt.. thanks oz.

aristeas

transhuman86

Thx for the humour – much needed.