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  Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .

  'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.

  jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.

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  Sulla

  Sulla is a guy, mrsjones. My use of the Picasso painting as an avatar tends to throw people off, it seems. Totally unfair, of course, since Duderino [sp?] has an actual pair of breasts as his avatar and nobody seems to think he is a chick. It is possible I'm being too subtle? That would be a first.

  Sully the Slave masters used both physical and mental on the slaves , The WTS is no different

  Except for the physical part. And except that you can always simply decide not to be a JW, an option not widely available to slaves. And except that JWs could simply decide not to shun their disfellowshipped family members, also an option not generally available to slaves whose family members were literally sold elsewhere.

  Perhaps you enjoy identifying the JW experience with the genuine horror of slavery. Perhaps that gives your experience some sort of added importance or the fact that you left the JWs some additional nobility. Don't know.
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  Jesus ,the son of GOD,on earth as a man,never wrote down his words of wisdom,message of salvation,only talked to a minority group,majority of what he preached was never recorded by observers,?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  doesn`t this sound a little bit odd to you ?

  according to christendom/jehovah`s witnesses in particular , the greatest man who ever lived,had the means at his disposal,to write down everything he had to say for the benefit of all mankind ,jew and gentile,and he never availed himself of this priveledge .rather most of what he had to say, according to the bible, was lost,no one recorded all he spoke ..he was quite content to leave it up to a few, who would put his words to pen,many of which were not eyewitness accounts to his deeds.,but received the information secon-hand.

  if the almighty god jehovah and his son jesus christ were in anyway serious, wouldn`t they have made this" so important" message available to all mankind ?

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  Sulla

  It seems odd, smiddy, if you think the most important thing about Jesus is what he said. Christianity has historically been the product of a Church that claims to bear witness to the fact of the resurrection. So, whatever he said is important only because of the resurection, which the Church constantly asserts. If you don't accept that claim, then whatever he said doesn't much matter.
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  Why are you a Christian?

  by GeneM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was having a discussion elsewhere on the internet about why people believe and why people don't believe in god.. i am of the opinion that people believe in god, not for evidential reasons, but instead because they have some emotional feeling that god exists.

  no amount of logic will make someone like this stop believing (any more than trying to talk someone out of being in love).

  the same goes for athiests.

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  Sulla

  Because it is the least I could do.
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  Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .

  'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.

  jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.

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  Sulla

  Please. JW-ism causes the same harm as chattel slavery? Are you listening to yourself?

  you['re] the type that thinks pain don't go beyond the physical, you think no one has been literally whipped

  there's no harm

  Uh, well, no. I actually don't think that. I am simply saying there is no valid comparison between the harm that happens if I beat you to a pulp and the harm that happens if you join the JWs. Not really that hard to grasp, I'd suggest.
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  Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .

  'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.

  jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.

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  Sulla

  You know, criticalwitness, I have said several times what the problem is with this comparison. I'm all for the use of a robust metaphor or two. But the extended and serious compariosn of JW-ism to American slavery simply serves to reduce the seriousness of slavery. wasblind has apparently missed the several palces where I have pointed out the differences -- as if such pointing out were really necessary. Elders do not hunt you down with dogs, for example, or beat you to a pulp if it pleases them.

  To seriously equate the two experiences as has been done here places the JWs in a place that is genuinely absurd. But perhaps elevating the feeling of victimhood has some point which escapes me. Don't know.
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  What to do with our money (estate) when we die?

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband just gave me the km for june.

  i thought the question box was interesting.

  it asks the question "what should be kept in mind if we want some or all of our assets to go to jehovah's organization upon our death?".

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  Talesin, you observed, " Oh, well, it was my choice to turn my back on Jehovah, so why would I deserve the inheritance I was promised years ago?" That's interesting. I keep hearing this sort of thing from the JW family, as if I'm the only one with intentionality; everything they do is simply the result of a choice I made and not a choice itself. Weird.
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  1st & 2nd Class Christians?????

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the insight book explains the matthew 24:45 this way;.

  "faithful and discreet slave - those forming the christian congregation are referred to by the apostle paul as "members of the household of god" (eph 2:19; 1ti 3:15), and the same apostle shows that faithful stewardship among such household members involved the dispensing of spiritual truths on which .

  those becoming believers would feed.

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  The idea of two classes of Christian, one that gets better stuff than the other, is a very old heresy. Goes back around 2,000 years or so to the gnostics. Rutherford picked it up, liked it, ran with it.
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  2012 District Convention: Talk re: DVD release

  by blond-moment in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering if anyone has uploaded this talk anywhere?

  i am assuming it is saturday inculcate god's word in little hearts?

  i am really curious what the gb is telling folks to think about this thing.

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  You're the man. Be the man. Here's what the man says: "I ain't goin' to the convention." Boom. Here's what else he says: "No, I don't know who got baptised because I did not go to the convention. Now, make me a sammich." Hope this helps.
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  How many here smoke?

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't and am very unlikely to after seeing my father dying of a smoking related lung disease (even though i would like to try a high quality cigar).. but i am curious to see how many people take up smoking after leaving the org.. .

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  Sulla

  Here's the secret about smoking: cigarettes are delicious! It is so good, it has to be taxed and outlawed. Marlboro Skyline, with just a hint of menthol, little nicotine buzz... good stuff.
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  Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .

  'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.

  jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.

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  Sulla

  mrsjones, you are welcome for "odious," I am happy to offer up useful adjectives whenever possible.

  I wouldn't have a problem with this sort of use if it seemed simply a metaphor: captives, slaves, hostages, etc. It seems to me that the OP pushes the comparison much too far, such that the vastly more destructive system of chattel slavery is actually placed on a level with JW-ism. Let me be honest, ok? This sort of thing is really disturbing: you said, " Shunning may be less bloody than a whipping or a lynching..."

  I mean, shunning is "less bloody" in the sense that there is no blood at all. A lynching is the sort of thing that ought never be compared to anything the JWs do. Here is a lynching, several actually:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

  I mean, fuck me. Look what they did! So yeah, JW-ism is bad and harmful and so on. And we can use somewhat over-wrought metaphors as we like. But let's not go too far.