A zygote is not an individual new life, it is just a cell, a new unique sequence of DNA, that's all. If it happens to split it may grow into 2 people, identical twins.
So, you're saying that the potential to separate into more than one numerically distinct humans disqualifies a thing from being human? Not sure if this is your point or not.
Life does not begin at the fertilization of an egg. It has not even implanted yet. It is just a collection of cells.
So are you, imasheilatoo; just a collection of cells that happen to think they have rights. Not sure why your particuar collection of cells think that, but I guess they do.
Implantation. An egg can be fertilized by a sperm but unless it successfully implants into the lining of the uterus it won't continue on it's journey towards birth.
Let me know if you get tired of playing this game: First grade is when it moves from non-life to life, because if a child doesn't make it to first grade, he won't continue on his journey toward real life.
How can those who oppose all abortion defend the position that a zygote has the same value as a new-born?
Well, I guess it is because newborns derive their value, if we may use the term, from the simple fact that they are human beings. If you'd care to define a human being in some coherent way that excludes zygotes and includes newborns, comatose people, and forgotten homeless people, then I would like to hear it.
''well there's one thing you got ta ask yourself punk....you felling lucky...well do ya punk".....clint eastwood dirty harry.. "it's life jim but not as we know it" capt kirk star treck..
"Yeah, well I guess they had it coming."
"We all got it coming, kid."
education teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.
propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.
they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.
Well, it was written in '78, right? Wasn't that before Franz left? He might have written that himself.
sooner or later each of us who does not have a significant other goes out on the trail armed with our crappy photo and lame self-descriptions and awkward smile in search of our prey: an exciting mate!.
who'd have thunk it?
it ain't easy.. not easy, why?
Diana, for what it's worth: that dude is very fucked up. You sending him flowers is exactly what he wants: control. Seriously, run the fuck away: control freak dickheads like that are absolutely nothing but trouble.
For what it's worth.
Back to the fetus. Your example, Flat, is equally applicable to a newborn as it is to a fetus prior to birth. Is it not?Yes, you can make that argument, and I predicted someone would - there are however several other differences:
• The child is no longer being carried inside the mother and therefore, the termination of the life is no longer a decison she can make (legally or morally i'd say)
• The child itself has reached a point whereby it can survive outside of the womb, which is quite a clear distinction from an embryo
• The child is now capable to begin learning and developing all those features I mentioned before - thoughts, feelings, awareness, relationships. At any point previous this is impossible
For point 1, you are assuming the very thing we are attempting to determine, are you not? The question, Flat, is how or whether the moral status changes at the moment of birth.
For point 2, a child arrives at a point of development where it can live outside the womb prior to its birth, suggesting that this is not a coherent point.
For point 3, are you suggesting that the ability to develop feelings and awareness are determinitive? Interesting. But what makes you think these abilities begin at the moment of birth? Newborns don't have any relationships that a 24 week fetus does not have.
I believe that government has no business in the bedrooms of its citizens.
Totally agree: That's where I was choking out the prostitutes.
I was more of a spree killer than a serial killer. But that's neither here nor there, I guess.
Back to the fetus. Your example, Flat, is equally applicable to a newborn as it is to a fetus prior to birth. Is it not?
hi all.
the irish branch has had lots of drama over the years from john may in the 1980s to the recent removal of practically all the branch committee in the mid noughties to its being closed down quite recently.. i heard on the grapevine that two of the branch committee had actually come to physical blows and there was blood on the carpet.. also many many witnesses spoke of the totalitarian environment there.. does anyone have anything further to corroborate or add to this?.
wildelover.
Brits swinging at each other, eh? Shame they couldn't both lose.
Not for a long time, minimus. A very long time.
