Posts by Bella15

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I Don't Understand The November Watchtower About Apostates Being Insane And The Evils Of Blogging.

by AvocadoJake in

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hello, i am new and sighed up last night!

please, would anyone like to tell me, what this magazine is trying to say?

what about the men and women in the halls that have mental illness?

Bella15

What THEY say:

It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah by presumptuously promising to achieve that which only Christ can do ..

What THEY really say:

“Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.” —Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace,” p. 10

What the Bible says:

“For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all…” —1 Timothy 2:5-6 (NASB - New American Standard Bible )

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Liberal Christians explain how you view 2 Timothy 3:16, 17

by ShadesofGrey in

so the christian (baptist) that i study with says that there are things in the bible that are useful for learning from history, but if god didn't say it (this is what the sovereign lord jehovah has said, or if jesus actually said it, etc.

) then it isn't something that god is saying, so that helps us understand it?.

i know i need to say more in my question, but hopefully i will learn from your responses to the title.. .

Bella15

You know ... when I came back to the bible and Almighty God Creator YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaaic and Jacob, I focused only on what Jesus' "supposedly" had said according to Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, Matthew, and I read only the parts in red. I was paying close attention when sentences started with The Lord says this or that in the OT. I believe the Bible contains words from God and Jesus, and that 2Timothy refers to the Hebrew Scriptures ... the bible that Jesus and the apostles read. The NT offer us the testimony of the people that witnessed Jesus live here on earth. Jesus said they were going to be witness of this and to this day the apostles are. Somehow I have always seen the NT this way even while I was a JW.

By the way I have read the books of Sirach, Wisdom, Judith (I love Judith) and others because I wanted to read all the books that were part of the Septuagint and others that Jewish people may have read too. I would recommend to any serious bible student to read as much as of the books of antiquity that are now translated into modern languages, you'll get a better understanding of the bible...

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is it moral and or rational to teach children and adults that Santa is real?

by mankkeli in

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1) yes it is moral and rational.

2) yes it is moral.

3) yes it is rational.

Bella15

You know I taught my children about this imaginary person called "stranger danger" like millions of kids are taught in USA schools, or McGruff The Crime Dog, and I don't think kids go around feeling hurt because the were never kidnapped by the imaginary "stranger danger" person parents painted for them, or to realize that McGruff can't not talk or do all the fun and silly things McGruff does to convey a teaching to children ... I am not defending any practice but some christians cults and other religions have a "vested" interest in the opinions they formulate and inculcate to their followers, they have their own agenda, in my case I learned from medical professional how cults in our case the Watchtower prey with the "emotions" of their followers, they make you have tunnel vision, you are allowed to see only through one window, the only valid opinion is THEIRS because it comes from "god" - so one does have the skills to think for oneself, to make connections like okay, how come Santa hurt kids when they realize he is not real and how come McGruff Dog or Stranger Danger Don't ... so something in your thinking had to be tainted first to be so one way street, something in you had to be tainted to be so hypocritical, so bias, to make the difference between one and the other when the concept is the same - trying to convey a teaching with imaginery.

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The 2 Witness Rule Protects Another JW Pedo Again

by Hairyhegoat in

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this is a very disturbing account from a jw girl who posted this on another site.

please don't read if you will be affected by the comments... i'm 23 years of age and i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

thanks to my cousin for introducing me to "apostate" videos online, and a few other major reasons that i will get to soon, i've disassociated myself for a little over a year now.

Bella15

Awful ...

But you know it is hard to understand for us that she still loves her dad ... when I was dealing with the forgiveness part while helping my niece (sexually abused by 3 JWs) ... the counselor told us that forgiveness helps the victim a lot, this was for my niece to forgive her mom for not "protecting" her ... so there is little we can do for this precious girl now but we can think positive things for her, send her good vibes if that is what you believe, precious humans like her need all our bright, positive energy release their ways. I do pray for people and I she will be in my list now.

Just a few weeks ago, my niece's mom was mentioning that the "elders" in El Salvador need proof b/c of the two witness rule ... like if a pedophile will do things in public ... what a satanic way of thinking ... I can't wait to see the Watchtower Corporation crumbling down AND IT WILL HAPPEN --- the time is coming for that

Mark 4:22: For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.

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is it moral and or rational to teach children and adults that Santa is real?

by mankkeli in

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friends

1) yes it is moral and rational.

2) yes it is moral.

3) yes it is rational.

Bella15

You know ... when kids grow up they laugh while telling the story of how they discovered Santa was not real ... I think you have to be genetically predisposed (like in loco) to make it such a HUGE issue like Watchtower wants you to believe ... my children now 14 and 13 laugh at each other for believing that Santa was real ... yet it is part of their most precious memories, they realized our love for them because I went to extremes to keep the fantasy for them (just like tooth fairy) ... their eyes and my eyes glisten with joy and love when we go through memory lane ... they will have that loving memory for their rest of their lives. Now that they are teenagers the emphasis of Christmas is that we celebrate the "BIRTH" of Jesus ... who knows the exact"date" Jesus was born, we as Christians, celebrate the fact that our King was born. We don't care what other people or even other Christians do and believe, as for me and my house we celebrate the fact that Jesus was born!

Dear Lord, when you see all the dangers children face in this world, the question should be, Is it moral and/or rational to bring children into this world?

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"we don't need holidays as an excuse to give gifts to our children"

by Sour Grapes in

before my mother became a jehovah's witness i remember.

the fun of christmas and opening the beautifully wrapped.

gifts under the christmas tree.

Bella15

"We don't need holidays as an excuse to give gifts to our children." I always hated the word "excuse" in this sentence. I am YET to meet a loving parent, loving children, a loving friend that uses a holiday or any other event as an "excuse" to give a present. They use the holidays as "special occassions" to stop for a minute and think of you specially and show not only with words but actions their feelings towards you.

The word "excuse" in this sentence is part of the Watchtower lexicon to brainwash people.

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New career at 30 - suggestions/ideas?

by i_drank_the_wine in

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i'm in need of a career change, or at the very least a new job that i can make money at while i continue to work on computer related side-projects.

i'm burnt as hell at computer programming, and being that i am self-taught and have very little corporate experience i am not looking into doing this anymore as it's all i've done as a career for the last 10 years.. long story short, bad money crunch, no degree of any sort, a gamble to try and make my own business failed - so i need to find a new career or job.

searching the papers is somewhat dis-heartening so far.. any ideas, suggestions, or advice for this daunting task of trying to find some way to keep from going bankrupt with a new job.

Bella15

Are you in the USA or in Europe? I live in the USA.

A few years ago I found myself short of money b/c my exhusband stop paying child support ... I found a weekend/partime job as a Non-Medical Caregiver ... there are different levels of non-medical care that you need to provide and feel comfortable with. In my case my job was companionship for elderly couple night time shift ... I worked fri, sat, sun nights, first every weekend, then every other weekend, then only as needed, now I quit b/c I don't need the extra income anymore as thanks God I am fine now.

Anyway I was in a similar situation, goggled ways to make money fast and Caregiver came up as an option. I found a job right away.

Mine was not a career change, just something like a bridge to help me make it through and prevent rough waters from rising out of control ...

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Watchtower STUDY EDITION - Vehicle for Vitriol and REALLY crazy statements?

by punkofnice in

is it me or do i notice that all the weird and hateful cultish statements are now appearing in the 'study edition' washtowels?.

anointed are nuts - august 15, 2011 watchtower (the study edition) pg 22 qfr: memorial partakers.

this is the number.

Bella15

Dear Lord! Do they say "emotional imbalance" with regards to "mistakenly partaking? LOL!!!!

I can imagine people asking themselves (after lovingly being readjusted to the earthly flock) -- Am I crazy? Demon possessed?

I remember once being "lovingly" readjusted during sheparding call to think that it was Satan answering my prayers not their Jehovah God and trust me it can create issues for one, you start selfdoubting yourself, your sanity, your faith, etc. What an added and unnecessary burden!!!!

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Some pretty blatant stuff coming up in bookstudy

by agent zero in

so i was reading ahead in the bookstudy book "bearing thorough witness" about god's kingdom, and i came upon some shockingly direct damage control on behalf of the gb in the material for the upcoming weeks.. on page 104: what a privilege it is to be instructed and molded by our patient and kind heavenly father!

the results are always good and always to our advantage.

so let us never proudly push ahead with our own ideas or react negatively to organizational changes or to adjusted explanations of certain scriptures.