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Is it God, the Bible or just the Dubs?

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bioflex

@designs: cant say i get what you mean

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Is it God, the Bible or just the Dubs?

by Slidin Fast in

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bioflex

I think some people are missing the point here, theres only one choice to make, either you beive in God, Jesus Christ and the bible or you dont believe in God at all. There is nothing like believing in Jesus and not the bible.

The bible talks about God hating people who are neither cold not hot, i know most people find it hard to believe a majority of things the bible talks about but thats the only way to being a christian . The bible stresses on things like HOPE and FAITH, and it references the lives of people like Abraham,Noah and so forth who had not seen but yet believed. I bet at must have been hard for them. Imagine Abraham had to sacrifice his only begotten son in his test of faith, Noah had to go through the trouble of builiding an ark so great in size, and many other folks in the bible.

There was a time i was on the fence, i doubted some part of the bible and beleived what seemed plausible to me, but all this changed after i decided i had to choose a side. I now believe the bible word for word, and the HOPE and FAITH i have in God keeps me going. U cant imagine what is there to discover if you seek God earnestly.

Hope this helps.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Vanderhoven7: before i go any further i would like you to explain your understanding of the punishment?

i would also like you to explain the event about Lazarus and the rich man Jesus spoke of.

Revelation 14:9-11, Mark 9 : 46,

Revelation 20: 10 - 15 -> it talks about the lake of fire where satan is cast, and his torment would be for ever, also it talks about other people being cast into that same lake of fire where the devil is.

@ProdigalSon: except that it is not the dead body which is judged. Its the spirit.

@Tec: last i checked souls died too no? destruction sure implies an end to something but what about damnation, condemnation (a better translation VanderHoven would prefer) ? something can be condemned without being destroyed right?

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Vanderhoven7: The pharisees are not said to have believed in eternal torment. If we look at some of the things Jesus said about them. Like "You would recieve greater damnation" - talking about pharisees

and in Matthew 23: 15 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you compass sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

would it makes sense if hell there was replaced with grave?

i took this from the NWT, since you seem to like that translation

“Woe to YOU , scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves.

again if Gehena was just the grave, would that passage have made sense? cos every human being dies no matter if he was righteous, a pharisee or even an unsaved person.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Sir82: i suppose all you care about are my grammatical error's right?

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Vanderhoven7 :Sorry, but believing in judgment and punishment of the wicked, personal accountability and that the spirits of the dead can be summoned to consciousness does not equate with eternal torment as the punishment of human sin

you are kidding me right? In what form do you think the dead are going to be judged? in human or spirit form? and what do you think the punishment would be?

Re: Where did the Pharisees derive their belief in eternal torment?

show me where the pharasees spoke of a fiery hell or eternal torment in the bible? Wasnt is Jesus's own saying.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Vanderhoven7 : To begin with the Israelites believed in the judjement of men and punishment of the wicked. They knew God was going to judge men on a specific time He had chosen to do so. Again they knew that death was not an end to life in general. They knew there was accountability at the end of mortal life. Death brought an end to our mortal life. But our spirits never died. That is why Saul was able to summon the spirit of Samuel even when he had died. That would also explain why Jesus, when he was transfigured on the mount before his death had Moses and Elijah come and talk to him.

We could consider the story Jesus told about Lazarus and the rich man, this was NOT a parable or any of the lessons He taught. It likely pertained to an occurance which Jesus knew about.

Again Jesus warns about a fiery hell in Mark 9 : 43 - it talks about a fire that can never be quenched. Not forgetting His words in Matthew 25: 41 - ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

We know the devil is not mortal but spirit, likewise his punishment would also pertain to the spiritual sense, and if anyone is condemned with the devil then it means they are going to share punishment. Dont forget that is is rebellion/sin that causes lucifer this fate, and thats exactly what he are doing, isint it obvious that all sinners would share in his fate?

There seems to be exceptions though, there are people who knew not God/Jesus, and such ones would be given a chance to learn the truth and decide on whose side they are going to be.

But to dismiss a fiery hell altogether is just something else, seeing that the most part of the NT, revelation stresses on it clearly.

and b4 i go, most christians and probably all JWs have this notion that almost everything in the bible is symbolic and all that. Its very wrong, God does not hide the truth from us, He tells us plainly what He would do, and anytime the bible talks about symbolism and parables it does very well to explain itself.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Cofty : now consider this scenario, when you look up the sky at daytime what do you see? the sun right? and what else is there? now look at the same sky at night and you can clearly see the stars. The fact that you cant see spirits does not mean they dont exist, you can only see them through the right spectrum.

@Liberty : i dont think comparing vanilla candy and vegetables suits your point that much. Vanilla and vegetables can only do you good. The laws God gave us are clearly about our own well being. Would you say a murder should be accepted as a choice with no consequencies? .

And the fact that you can choose alone means you have a choice, dont forget that there are consequencies for whatever deed yo do, not just evil deeds. Condiser someone who smokes ending up with a cancer that kills him, and another who does not smoke living his life to the fullest. would you say the smoker was treated unjustly?

Again consider animals, how simple and contrained their character is, they only eat a certain food, sound a certain way, and are quite much more limited and so they dont have much of a responsibility as we have, clearly they dont have a choice right.

@Vanderhoven7: i know, but the reason why i brought that up was because you dont seem to understand the ideology behind the OT and all that took place. You are trying to convince yourself that since a fiery hell was not stressed in the OT means it does not exist. Now when we come to the new testament there is simply no denying it. Even Jesus himself spoke of it, perhaps we should look into the NT.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Vanderhoven7 : i am talking about the whole of Isaiah 14, specifically 11 downwards. unless perhaps you want to tell me lucifer is also bound to die some day.

You do realise that death only applies to mortals right?. The bible says in romans 6: 23 - the wages of sin is death, now if death applied to spirit beings too shoudnt lucifer be dead by now? and again

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

why would God imprison the angels that sinned some thousand of years ago, just to kill them on the day of judgment?

Now you might want to study the scriptures about how the OT and the plot of God. How the devil wanted to corrupt the whole of mankind after he decieved them into eating of God's forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The devil was keen on destroying the lineage of man in order to nulify the God's judgement on him, that is why he caused his angels to come and mix with the seed of man.

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Noah was quite the only man who did not have any relation what so ever with the fallen angels, his GENES were not corrupted or mix with the angels, and his family too. That is why God used him to twath the devils plan.

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Heaven and Hell : Life after death

by bioflex in

i am starting this topic to discuss the title.

i know many people on this forums dont believe in the idea of god , and even jw's reject the idea of a fiery hell even though the bible clearly states is.. this video contain testimonies osome people who even considered themselves as atheists until the point of practical death.. i just want to emphasize what one person said in the video at the point of death - " what if god is real, and what if all that which was being said about god was true" .

hope this helps whoever it may.. and one more thing, no matter what you do or how you live your life, just know that even at the point of death, jesus christ is able to save.

bioflex

@Cofty : am i to define it from a scientific point of view or what? cos u know thats impossible.

as far as my religion is concerned man = (body + soul + spirit) , and spirit is defined two ways, first it could be considered wind, breath--> which is the breath of God. and is also our other self , it is the reason we can see things not visible in the physical world . Remeber that God is a spirit, and He made us in His own image, that is why we retain a spiritual aspect which fascilitates our communication with Him, but not just Him, humans can see other spirit creatures like angels and demons too because of the spirit we posses.