Posts by bioflex

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Did God know Adam and Eve will Sin? - JW perspective

by bioflex in

i read about this topic sometime ago in one awake mag (cant rememer which one).

and from the jw perspective, he didnt know which means it took him by suprise or which makes it seem god is not as almighty as we would believe.

this is their reasoning.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/20110101a/article_01.htm.

bioflex

Does any one have a link where i can download all the awake magazines, from like 2007 - 2011, there are somethings i want to clarify.

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Did God know Adam and Eve will Sin? - JW perspective

by bioflex in

i read about this topic sometime ago in one awake mag (cant rememer which one).

and from the jw perspective, he didnt know which means it took him by suprise or which makes it seem god is not as almighty as we would believe.

this is their reasoning.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/20110101a/article_01.htm.

I read about this topic sometime ago in one awake mag (cant rememer which one). And from the JW perspective, He didnt know which means it took him by suprise or which makes it seem God is not as almighty as we would believe. This is their reasoning.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20110101a/article_01.htm

=> Still, someone may object, ‘But how could an all-wise God not have known?’ Granted, a facet of Jehovah’s great wisdom is his capability to know “from the beginning the finale.” ( Isaiah 46:9, 10 ) However, he does not have to use this capability, just as he does not always have to use his immense power to the full. Jehovah wisely uses his ability of foreknowledge selectively. He uses it when it makes sense to do so and fits the circumstances. <=

The first problem i see here is using the word WISE/WISDOM.

an all-wise , Jehovah’s great wisdom

Why didnt they say Jehovah's great knowledge, which would basically change the meaning of the statement. Now if we should consider the scripture they quoted.

Isaiah 46: 10 = Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

From the scripture it is iminent that God KNOWS/ all KNOWING, that is why he can declare the end from the beginning. One can be wise without being knowledgable of something.

Then they say this

=> Jehovah wisely uses his ability of foreknowledge selectively. <=

Now to me this is quite absurd. Having the ability to know does not mean you know. And why would God be selective about applying his ability of forknowledge. This literally means God could have prevented the disaster in the garden of eden if He has exercised said ability which would have semed reasonable.

Instead we see in the scriptures that God allows things to happen for a purpose, it is for an ensample unto us. Like in the example of Job, looking at the nature of humans the only justifiable reason why God allowed such evil to befall him was becaue He already knew Job would stand the test.

Imagine God losing to the devil in the case of Job, it would have been terrible, i mean He could only blame Himself for not exercising an ability to posseses right?

Also we see in the case of Abraham, it was not until the last moment that God told Abraham to desist from harming Isaac. This shows that even though He knew Abraham will obey, principle was necessary. Its only after an act is carried out that reward is justified.

=> The ability to refrain from using foreknowledge can be illustrated with a feature of modern technology. Someone watching a prerecorded sports match has the option to watch the final minutes first in order to know the outcome. But he does not have to start that way. Who could criticize him if he chose to watch the entire match from the beginning? Similarly, the Creator evidently chose not to see how things would turn out. Rather, he chose to wait and, as events unfolded, see how his earthly children would conduct themselves. <==

So does thim mean everything everything is unfolding like in a movie? if then whose story or script is it, and wouldnt that mean that person knows all along what is going to happen?

=> As mentioned earlier, Jehovah in his wisdom did not create the first humans as automatons programmed for a fixed course. Instead, he lovingly endowed them with free will. <==

Exactly, but in his KNOWLEDGE, He knew man will fall, that is why he provided a means of salvation through Jesus Christ before the world begun.

Ephisians 1: 4 = For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

=> The Scriptures show that on many occasions God did not make use of his ability of foreknowledge. For example, when faithful Abraham went to the point of attempting to sacrifice his son, Jehovah could say: “Now I do know that you are God-fearing in that you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” ( Genesis 22:12 ) <=

This act was necessary so that the devil and his angels would not have cause for complain. Imagine the devil criticizing God for blessing Abraham when he had not worked or proven himself worthy. Remmember that God is Just. You want something, work for it.

=> On the other hand, there were also occasions when the bad conduct of certain individuals caused God to “feel hurt.” Would he have felt such pain if he had long known what they would do? <=

We live in knowledge of losing our loved ones at a point in time, yet do we mourn them before their deaths? of couse not. There are many things we know the outcome of, yet we only feel them when they happen. Like an electric shock perpahs.

=> Thus, it is only reasonable to conclude that the all-wise God did not exercise his ability of foreknowledge to know in advance that our first parents would sin. He was not so foolish as to embark on a bizarre venture, using his ability to know the outcome in advance and then staging a mere rerun of what he already knew. <=

A typical ending for JWs = "only reasonable"

so who is reasoning here they or God. All-Wise God but not All-knowing. Perhaps JWs worship a god who is wise to his standards but not all knowing, why else would they change their doctrine and teachings always.

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Anyone EVER had an Elder with a beard??? I can't remember even one!

by Witness 007 in

the society once even pictured jesus as clean shaven for many years in it's books.

beards were "sort of" banned.

i don't remember a single brother who had privledges with a beard....anyone else?.

bioflex

Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!

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Young People Ask . . . March 2012 Awake

by sizemik in

i read very little wts propaganda these days, even on-line stuff .

unless it's for a specific purpose.

most of you will identify with that.. i perused this article while checking out something else and was disturbed by the manipulative reasoning directed at jw youths.

bioflex

@sizemik: well done

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Where are Gods people

by frigginconfused in

im having difficulty with this.

no where else can you find a chrstian org with people like the ones ive seen in the halls.

im not talking the good ol' boy club.

bioflex

@Friggingconfused: Good luck searching, though i should say there is nothing like a perfect church, as long as there is no control tactics its good enough for you, just dont let someone else do the thinking for you.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

bioflex

@sacolton: well done with your post, well said.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

bioflex

Not with all the latest rubbish they have been spewing in their mags, to the point of removing Jesus as a mediator between God and man.

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Who is the Mighty God?

by s-c-3-1-3 in

isaiah 9:10 says, for there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.

and his name will be called wonderful counselor, mighty god, eternal father, and prince of peace.

in the next chapter, however, jehovah is described as the mighty god: and it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of israel and those who have escaped of the house of jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon jehovah, the holy one of israel, in trueness.

bioflex

Revelation 1:8(KJV) - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Here we see Jesus referring to himself not just as Almighty but also Alpha and Omega.

So the question is

1. Can there be 2 almighty?

2. Can there be 2 alpha and omega? since Jehovah is also Alpha and Omega.

John 1:1(KJV) - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

but in John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So from this we know that Jesus is the incanation of the word (in flesh form)

GOD = WORD (Jesus in flesh)

So until Jesus became flesh he was the WORD of God which is equal to God. His authority has not chaged even though his status is now as that of a Son (the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)

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What does "everlasting life" mean?

by N.drew in

john 3:16. i'll just say that the way i understand it is i am existing in it, it is not existing in me.. 166 (ai?nios) does not focus on the future per se, but rather on the quality of the age (165 /ai?n) it relates to.

thus believers live in "eternal (166 /ai?nios) life" right now, experiencing this quality of god's life now as a present possession.

(note the gk present tense of having eternal life in jn 3:36, 5:24, 6:47; cf.

bioflex

The everlasting life that comes from having the son is getting to live forever without dying, remember that man was formed from dust and the only way to live forver in this condition is to have a supliment in this case the "Tree of life" which was in the garden of eden. Without eating from the tree man is bound to grow old and wax old like garment no matter what. That is why adam and eve did not die immidiately they sinned. The process of death begun from the time they ceased to eat from the "Tree of life"

Genesis 3: 22 (KJV) - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Here we see that adam and eve would have continued to live forever after sinning if they had acces to the "Tree of life".

Until the time of Noah men could live for very long periods of time(800 years +) even though they evetually died, this trend stopped after the very sinful nature of the people in Noah's era caused God to flood the earth.

Now we see Jesus Christ who was(WORD- John 1:1) and still is(WORD INCANATE- John 1:14) the life which was in the "Tree of life".

So it comes down to when people are really going to eeat from the tree. From the scriptures we know that Christ is going to rule for a thousand years and there are going to be humans who would co-rule with him during this period of time, that is why Christ(being the life in the tree) would sustain them until that time is over.

Again in revelation,

Revelation 22: 2(KJV) - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

We see that the Tree does not only sustain lives but it heals too, it makes whole from all infirmities cause by sin.

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To all christians...

by wolfman85 in

...should we celebrate the memorial in our homes?

will you do it?

any ideas.

bioflex

@Truthseeker1969 : 1 Corinthians 11 : 23 - 34 (KJV)

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Every christian is entitled to eat the communion, not just some elect few, though it should should be in an accepted manner.