the trial has begun.
the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).
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It sounds like the making of each congregation in to its own entity is a ploy the Russian legal system recognizes and is pushing aside as such.
Sanderson sure looks content. And why not? In JW speak they will either score a victory for God (him of course) or be persecuted (not him of course) for righteousness sake. A win/win, thus the content smile.
see what bridget azaz did!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.
I had never thought of how all other religions include and only JWs exclude until reading this thread.
If the JWs feel (and teach) that their is a separate celebration that was instituted by Jesus at that last Passover of his, what is their proof?
Is it the way the scripture reads?
first of all a joke i read, a middle aged woman has a heart attack and is taken to the hospital.
while on the operating table she has a near-death experience.
during the experience she sees her guardian angel and ask if this is her time.
Funny joke!
I have to say, I would rather blunder through life "unguarded" than have a creepy voyeur assigned to me -protective or not!
this past year has been the most life changing year anyone could ever go through.
waking up, leaving the cult, separating from my wife, research, research, research, reading, pondering etc.
and i've found myself having to re-learn and re-evaluate everything i thought i knew.
Good OP.
I like your take on Rutherford, Pale. The whole post is good but that part especially resonates with me.
The entire religion seems to have gone in a worse direction when he took control.
Funny the JWs distance themselves from Russell but not from "The Judge." (sarcasm intended)
why the big controversy over baptizing the dead, they are dead folks..i know it's a quirky practice but jewish leaders are up in arms because the lds leaders are baptizing holocaust victims..what harm is it??
?hell jw's are preaching everyone will go up in flames no one believe that crap except jw but no one is up in arms, they know they walk a different step....the lds leaders agreed to halt baptisms specifically of jews holocaust victims in 2010 but they are at it again, baptizing jews.
this is funny as hell to me.
People do so many things under the banner of being "helpful".
Lots of the things that get done are not helpful at all and can be harmful.
At least in this case they are not able to do harm or hurt the dead people because they are well...dead and therefore beyond the reach of the determined "helpful".
some quick background information: my dad (her firstborn son) died unexpectedly this past october.
his death has really hit our family hard.
personally, i have not totally come to terms with this.
Hi MyName, first let me say I am sorry for your loss of your grandfather. He sounds like he was a good man.
As for your grandmother, I think the upcoming Memorial and her actions will tell you a lot.
All the best to you and your grandmother.
i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
D. They are sincere in the way that deluded people are sincere but 100% wrong.
I guess that makes them sincerely wrong.
we were all told when we were in the watchtower that we should be grateful to be part of such a loving family.
we were told that just beyond the superficial glamour of the world was a quagmire of despair, emptiness and pain waiting to suck us in.
obviously, we took that part with a mountain of salt or we wouldn't be here today.
I think there is a pretty good balance here on this forum.
does anyone know what the publisher totals were for 2015 compared to 2016 for australia?
i can't find them anywhere and was wondering if the royal commission hearing had any effect on the numbers.
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jwleaks
Don't forget to remove Terrence O'Brien from the Australian total publisher numbers. The governing body have expelled him toSiberiaPapua New Guinea.
Interesting information. How did you find this. It seems very significant to me because it is a silent admission that they are displeased with him.
Why would they be displeased if this is all about nothing, as they are trying to pretend?
i have heard rumors and anecdotes of j.f.
rutherford calling women "a hank of hair and a stack of bones" but i never thought it was documented.
well thanks to jwfacts i finally found the quote in print.. this j.f.
dubstepped
Just because that was a quote doesn't mean that he wasn't dissing women. He's the asshat that chose to quote that. He put pursuing women down. He clearly didn't respect the pursuit of a relationship. That's also just one of the things he said. Guy clearly didn't think highly of women. I'm surprised to see women taking up for him.
Hi dubstepped,
Not sure who the "women" (as in plural) are who are taking up for him in your view but to be totally transparent and clear -
I wanted the entire story.
What he said, its source of origin, what he meant, etc.
I dont bond through "pile on" threads or through group hate.
I am here for encouragement and most importantly an education in to this religion and its leaders.
I want to take deadly aim at the hydra that is this religion and to me, calm cool factual reason is the way to do that.
Pushing the "woman" button just simply isnt enough. I needed clarification.
