have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?
perhaps off brand or crazy ones?
some that i've heard is:.
"True Christians should not wear jeans"
"If your jacket is wrinkled at the meeting, that is like bringing Jehovah your crippled animals for sacrifice."
"If a sisters skirt is short, she is inviting rapists or worse!"
This all from a short old elder with bug eyes and a comb over.
Hysterically funny now, looking back.
Im sure "Tight pants Tony" is his hero these days.
i've had an email from a sister who tells me that out in field service this morning a long standing route call has told them she won't be taking any more magazines and doesn't want them calling on her again because she has heard about the jws child abuse scandals and cover ups.
she was quite angry with them and said your elders say there is nothing wrong but there is and it will all come out.. this is the first time anyone i know of has been challenged on the doorstep and they were absolutely shocked and also angry.
angry that the organization is not preparing them for dealing with this and for not being honest with the brothers about what is going on ie: lawsuits etc.. just thought i'd share that with you..
Phoebe I think this is awesome!
I will be checking back on this thread to see what happens next!
please help me understand this.
over the years i have seen and have heard of many who have changed congregation due to the 'lack of love' shown in their own.
you then hear many condemning such ones as 'having a problem' and 'taking their problems with them'.
IMHO, you are not alone and you are picking up on a very real and unnatural climate in the Kingdom Hall.
You will never get a true reading on how much of what you sense is wrong with the folks in the Kingdom Hall is you and how much is them. The environment is just too forced and unnatural.
To me, the "love" is performance based.
The more you do (according to predetermined JW standards) the more deserving you are of "love" which is really not love but a conditioned approval response.
Its complicated isnt it? Thats what high control groups do...they legislate and re direct natural emotions and actions.
I wonder if you might like volunteering with a group that cares for animals? A shelter of some sort?
When I get too weary of people and their shenanigans, I find that animals refresh my soul. They have no agenda and need what we have to offer.
i couldn't bleedin' well resist it.
there were these 2 jobo blokes standing behind a jobot trolley.
jobo, 'what's that?'.
Note to self: Before the conversation gets rough, switch to cake!
Thank you punk, great job with those trolley handlers.
i`m sure you have all noticed the ever increasing number of newbies and lurkers who have visited this site over the past months and i am sure we could all collectively welcome them to this site and support them on learning the ttatt .
and helping them to navigate how they can look up older publications and quotes of the wtb&ts that they would rather remain hidden.. we all know jehovah`s witnesses /governing body never apologizes for mistakes they make they just don`t mention them anymore and explain it away as new light from god.. actually a big cop out.. welcome to all you who are new to this site .. every day their seems to be someone new posting which is great .. and if this is any indication of what is happening in all other ex jw sites the wtb&ts are in deep trouble .
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Welcome blisterfeet and boko!
When I first joined this site I felt like
a) what if I am betraying Jehovah by doing so?
b) what if a friend or elder finds out I am here?
c) what if the people here dont understand MY unique path that brought me here?
As you can see, I had a lot of angst.
What happened is no one looked for me and nothing bad happened whatsoever.
Instead, I got the love and support the Org promises but doesnt deliver. I found that we ALL have a unique story and that is in fact our commonality.
I found reasons to back up my suspicions that JWs are not a fact based religion. The depth of research and thought given here to such topics as scriptural inaccuracies, 1914, the blood issue, pedophilia within the Org, the mishandling of monies - and how they make money from such things as assemblies, relief work and the way kingdom halls are owned was all news to me, even as a lifelong JW.
The relief when I realized it is them that has the problem (not me) was profound.
I wish each and everyone of you here the same joy I have gotten from knowing the real truth about "the truth".
Welcome to this site!
jehovah himself gives the saying "the women telling the good news are a large army" psalms 68 : 11 coupled with the fact that a good portion of women partake of the emblems and wine at the annual memorial celebration.. identifying themselves as part of the 144000 that are taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens.. isn`t it about time they were recognized for their contributions and given the fact that gods word the bible clearly states that 144,000 of anointed are to be taken from the earth which many women are a large part of.?.
revelation ch.14 :4 could be argued that they are not lesbians { "these are the ones who do not defile themselves with women ,in fact they are virgins, etc,etc.}.
i wonder just how many men who claim to be of the anointed have not defiled themselves with women and are virgins.?.
Paul said "I do not permit a woman to teach."
So never mind Miriam, Deborah, Jael, Phoebe etc...
when you scripture pluck, it allows you to go by what suits you at the moment.
JWs are a turn of the century white man American religion at their core.
i was surprised that there are half (or more) million dollar estates the gb lives in.
gated communities.
close to the warwick site.
Was this the thread dubstepped?
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4897116511010816/tuxedo
so my cousin phoned and told me my jw sister was taken to hospital with chest pains and it may have been a slight heart attack or possibly she's starting with angina.
now as some of you know my sisters and brother have had little to do with me for 29 years.
we've met at funerals, or arranged them, but i just thought today what if she did die?
My situation with my sibs is very similar to yours.
I have finally reached the point with them you described above. I am not rewarding the behavior anymore. The behavoir where they act like I am sub human and make me cringe when I even think about being together.
Yes, that behavoir. Our last "time together" was a family event but inside myself it was a "goodbye to this crap" event.
That wont be happening anymore.
All that said, your current question about what to do with your sister gives me a moment to think because I am sure the same thing will come up for me eventually.
I think I will do whatever I would do if I wanted no regrets.
If your sister were to die and you regretted not sending the text message - then you should send it.
I can certainly say I understand your hesitation at knowing exactly what you want to do.
Isnt it sad to be placed in a quandary over a man made religion?
I hope it comforts you that so many of us here understand exactly what you are going back and forth in your mind about. xxxooo
the other day i ran into a jw who just happened to be my very friend during my jw days (which were most of my life).
so for about 60 years we were each other’s very best friend.
we grew up together from about 8 years old and are the same age, now in our early 70’s.
Great response and a good starting point for the followup conversation!
i just thought i'd share this story from my past.. back in the 80s i remember the big problem seemed to be about music.
(today, it's tight pants, i guess) the organization, society, whatever they were calling themselves, were always going on about the music we listened to.
disco, heavy metal, the whole "backwards masking" thing...couldn't escape hearing or reading about how satan was corrupting us unless we were listening to kingdom melodies or elevator music.. i was assigned to wtf in the late 80s and remember one of the articles stating that "young people know that the rhythm of rock music is the rhythm of sexual intercourse.
Great story, I smiled the whole time I was reading it and so true~!
