it's not as if the sheep was trying to seduce the shepherd, the poor creature was violated.
we have come a long way from those days, thank goodness.
so why slay the sheep or beast?????
James Mixon
I guess it's not a serious question.. LOL
I guess not!
I thought it was a good one though.
Dont some places still allow for the cutting off of a hand for theft?
All through history conquering people had rules of war about what could be kept as spoil and what could not.
I am not attempting to defend JWs or the Bible either for that matter
I was looking for a more anthropological approach as to an answer I guess. .
If this was not an academic question then let the fun continue!
i always found it interesting that one could appeal a disfellowshipping....if jehovah doesn't make mistakes, then there wouldnt be a need to "appeal" anything to begin with right?.
I have heard that an appeal committees purpose is to make sure all the procedures were followed according to the Orgs guidelines.
It is not a second opinion or a re-trial.
So if something was handled wrong procedurally, there can be a reversal.
Im sure there are many elders/former elders here who can tell us the real deal on this?
i have just returned from visiting friends and family.
when i was disassociated my parents had contact with me a few months before my dad was diagnosed with cancer.
i was reinstated 20 months after his funeral and then they disfellowshipped me 5 months later as they are convinced i had not changed my life enough to be a jw again.
Disassociated Lady 2
My Mum dislikes me anyway as she sees the "free and wild spirit" in me that was in her before she gave in fully to the JWs. She doesn't want to be reminded of it, so it is easy for her to have an excuse not to see me. Very sad. x
Very insightful of you that you can see this.
Hugs to you
'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.
shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.
that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.
Disassociated Lady 2
I was disfellowshipped a month ago because I live in the home of a retired "witch". She is no longer involved in this work and neither am I now, but they refused to believe that. I told them I cannot afford to move out and have no other options, but they believe that because I live there I must be engaging in all kinds of demonic practices. I knew there was no point in appealing as it would go against you anyway to say the elders are wrong. Ho hum!
Too bad shes retired.... I am seeing a nice little hex on some superstitious elders.
The fact that the whole JW religion is based on superstitions of one variety or another and that superstitious behavior is encouraged among its flock, is something I am only just now realizing.
'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.
shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.
that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.
After being seared by their vindictive policies (albeit second hand) I have slowly healed and come to the conclusion that I am glad they have the policy they do.
People are getting DFd and after an attempt to come back (usually met with a "not yet") they give up altogether. Most of these are young people who will go on to marry and raise a family not tainted by the Org and its policies.
Others still in will see how well their lives work out in a compare/contrast and be emboldened to leave also.
This is one way the Org is participating in its own well deserved self destruction.
another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.
an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.
of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?
Well he is half right....if you are a JW depression IS part of the package.
if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..
redvip2000
Certainly this was a calculated move by either her campaign or somebody who favors her, but it seems you actually saying both the Dems and GOP are actually in collusion in order to elect Hillary. If this is what you mean, you are way off.
Yes to the first part of your statement which I took the liberty of highlighting.
I dont think the Dems and the GOP collude. That wasnt my point.
Hillary's is a carefully crafted campaign with more money and power behind it than Trump could ever hope to amass.
This was (it is hoped) a final salvo and carefully timed for now.
If this doesnt do the trick, watch for another head shot.
if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..
Hillary is going to be the next president. This was always going to be the case.
But there had to be someone for her to pretend to run against, right?
Ask yourself..
why did this tape of Trump saying those things surface now?
Its 11 years old.
I am amazed that the news pundits are worrying about the what (the tape)
and not the why (the timing)
so the wife was watching the latest installment of jw broadcasting and near the end there was a new segment on dating and courtship.
it starts at about the 39 minute mark:.
https://youtu.be/vuir-azsdm0?t=38m52s.
Funny that they show watching sports as an alarm bell as to this brothers suitability as a marriage mate but they will turn right around and counsel a married woman who is getting smacked around to "try harder" to please her husband.
This is a weird organization.
brother melvin mallett delivers a talk entitled beware the spirit of independence.
(because, you know, thinking for yourself is not what jesus wants.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki.
oh, and remember folks... this isnt a cult or anything!.
Its easy to see why an independent spirit is something they lecture against.
The amusing part is they pride themselves on being a break away (independent) religion from the christian mainstream.
