Posts by MoeJoJoJo

Mishnah,
Here is what the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 5:11-"But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man."

READ VS. 1 OF THE SAME CHAPTER AND YOU'LL SEE THE TYPE OF FORNICATION PAUL IS REFERRING TO
1 Corinthians 5:1-"Actually fornication is reported among you, and such fornication as is not even among the nations, THAT A WIFE A CERTAIN MAN HAS OF HIS FATHER."

INCEST!

MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE VERSES, IS THAT ANYONE WHO COMMITS THE TYPE OF FORNICATION MENTIONED SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF THE CONGREGATION. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MOLEST INNOCENT CHILDREN WHETHER THEY ARE THEIR OWN CHILDREN(OR RELATIVE)OR NOT.

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You know you were a little girl of the 70's/80's

by closer2fine in

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friends

1. you wore that rainbow shirt that was half-sleeves and the rainbow went up one sleeve, across your chest and down the other.

2. you made baby chocolate cakes in your holly hobbie easy bake oven.

you washed them down with the snoopy snow cone machine.

MoeJoJoJo

10. You had either a "bowl cut" or a "pixie" (not to mention the "Dorothy Hamill") because your mom was sick of braiding your hair. How traumatic when people thought you were a boy.

OMG!!
That was me in the second grade! The Dorothy Hamill haircut - my mom thought the haircut was so cute so she decided she wanted to give me one. Now, my mom was no beautician so you can imagine. It was so horrible!!

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Jesus died on a stake or a cross?

by 2SYN in

this is something i've been puzzling over recently.

just for argument's sake, let's say that jesus did exist - was he murdered on a stake or on a cross?

this is puzzling me, because the only real research i've ever read on the subject was in wtbts publications, and since this is obviously a highly questionable source of documentation, i'd love it if someone here could point me to a scientific resource for finding out the truth about this...thx.... the earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing.

MoeJoJoJo

Here's a excerpt from the webpage I mentioned earlier:

< http://members.tripod.com/sosoutreach/phone/crossx.html

"The WT further explores this idea in their 1985 publication "Reasoning from the Scriptures" on pg. 89 where The Imperial Bible-Dictionary is referred to and I Quote: "The Greek word for cross, [stauros], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground…. Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole." End of Quote.

Upon reading this explanation from "Reasoning from the Scriptures" one might come to the conclusion that Jesus was in fact executed on an upright pole. But what does the "The Imperial Bible Dictionary" say in-between the WT's ellipses or the "…."? Is it possible that in this quotation, the WT failed to inform us of any pertinent information about Jesus death?

As I speak, I have in front of me the very dictionary quoted in "Reasoning from the Scriptures", that is, "The Imperial Bible Dictionary". It seems that within the ellipses or "….", the WT has indeed neglected to include some crucial information about the "stake" or "upright pole";"

AND HERE'S ANOTHER QUOTE FROM THE SAME ARTICLE

"You see, we can now clearly see that the authors from the WT's book "Reasoning from the Scriptures" have knowingly excluded crucial information essential for you and I to formulate a reasonable conclusion on the means by which Jesus was executed."

WHEN YOU COMPARE THE QUOTE IN THE REASONING BOOK WITH HOW THE IMPERIAL DICTIONARY ACTUALLY READ, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE IMPERIAL BIBLE DICTIONARY WAS COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.

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Jesus died on a stake or a cross?

by 2SYN in

this is something i've been puzzling over recently.

just for argument's sake, let's say that jesus did exist - was he murdered on a stake or on a cross?

this is puzzling me, because the only real research i've ever read on the subject was in wtbts publications, and since this is obviously a highly questionable source of documentation, i'd love it if someone here could point me to a scientific resource for finding out the truth about this...thx.... the earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing.

MoeJoJoJo

I researched this not too long ago myself. Here is a site that has some good info on the subject. It discusses the Society's Reasoning Book explanation of cross vs. stake. You can see how the Society takes their quotes from other sources completely out of context. Its pretty amazing. The society quotes the Imperial Bible Dictionary and the Liddel & Scott's greek to english lexicon.
The greek word xylon (or xulon) is also used in the Bible,for cross, and it is translated as "that which is made of wood". the definition says it could be a perch, a wooden spoon, a peg....but the Reasoning book conveniently leaves these words out of the definition

< http://members.tripod.com/sosoutreach/phone/crossx.html

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BILL BOWEN R U THERE?

by plmkrzy in

"why is bill bowen not df'd or d'ad or shunned?

" he is "in good standing" is he not or was that a false statement?

MoeJoJoJo

plm, I know that after exiting the org its hard to regain trust in people in general but not everyone is a fraud.
You can read Bill's story at the silentlambs website. He has endured alot for the sake of others.

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UN INFO FLYERS ON JW WINDSHIELDS?

by stocwach in

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friends

anyone thought of this idea for disseminating un issue to the rank and file?

in my opinion it would be pretty easy to print up a bunch of one-pagers from one of the websites that put all the info in a concise format, and distribute them at night during the "service meeting" in the kingdom hall parking lot.. what do ya guys/gals think?

MoeJoJoJo

LOL gs!

Yadirf this is for you:
"I personally consider it trespassing when anyone has the audacity to think that my property is part theirs by assuming that it's okay to put their grimy hands on my".. DOORBELL.. "and place what THEY consider important".. IN THE CRACK OF MY DOOR..

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1998AWAKE PUBLISHED FOR UNITED NATIONS CONSUMPTION

by MadApostate in

special awake issue published for united nations.

a few months back dino posted this link:.

http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm.

MoeJoJoJo

MA, hope any of this helps

Some of it is just random stuff but its all dealing with November 1998

*** km 2/99 2 Theocratic News *** "In spite of opposition, the brothers in France persevere in their Kingdom preaching. In November and December, a campaign to draw the country’s attention to the Bible was centered on a special distribution of the brochure A Book for All People. About 50 Bethelites have moved from France to Britain to help with printing and shipping operations at the branch, while the remaining 250 members of the France Bethel family and the brothers in the field continue to serve joyfully under normal conditions."

Here’s the literature offer for November:

*** km 10/98 7 Announcements ***
November: Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life. December: Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life with the New World Translation.

Below is interesting comment regarding Nov 22, 1998

*** w98 12/1 18 Defending Our Faith ***
After the slanderous article was published in the Russian newspaper (mentioned in paragraph 15), Jehovah’s Witnesses appealed to the Russian Federation Presidential Judicial Chamber for Media Disputes with a request to review the false charges made in the article. Recently the court issued a decision that castigated the newspaper for printing the libelous article.—See Awake!, November 22, 1998, pages 26-7.

Here’s paragraph 15 as mentioned above

*** w98 12/1 17-18 Defending Our Faith ***
15 At times, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been the target of distorted information in the media. For example, on August 1, 1997, a Russian newspaper published a slanderous article claiming, among other things, that Witnesses categorically require members to ‘reject their wives, husbands, and parents if these do not understand and do not share their faith.’ Anyone who is truly acquainted with Jehovah’s Witnesses knows that the charge is false. The Bible indicates that Christians are to treat unbelieving family members with love and respect, and Witnesses endeavor to follow that direction. (1 Corinthians 7:12-16; 1 Peter 3:1-4) Even so, the article was printed, and many readers were thus misinformed. How can we defend our faith when we are falsely accused?
16 Here again, there is “a time to keep quiet and a time to speak.” The Watchtower once expressed it this way: “Whether we ignore false information in the media or defend the truth by appropriate means depends on the circumstances, the instigator of the criticism, and his goal.” In some cases it may be best to ignore negative reports, thus not giving further publicity to the lies.
17 In other cases it may be “a time to speak.” A responsible journalist or reporter may have been misinformed about Jehovah’s Witnesses and may welcome truthful information about us. (See box “Correcting a Misrepresentation.”) If negative reports in the media arouse prejudice that hinders our preaching work, representatives of the branch office of the Watch Tower Society may take the initiative to defend the truth by some suitable means. For example, qualified elders might be assigned to present the facts, as in a TV program, where failure to appear might imply that Jehovah’s Witnesses have no answer. Individual Witnesses wisely cooperate with the direction of the Watch Tower Society and its representatives in such matters.—Hebrews 13:17.

Here’s the comments from readers regarding the Nov 22 Awake:

*** g99 7/22 30 From Our Readers ***
Youths Without Parents I am deeply grateful for the article “Young People Ask . . . Why Must I Live Without My Parents?” (November 22, 1998) I am now 39 years old. But when I was 11, my mother died and my father left home. Until now I have never been able to get people to understand the miserable lives my brothers and I lived. But now I feel that others understand us. Thank you.
K. Y., Japan
My father died when I was just nine months old, and my mother, before I was 12 years old. Your article was very comforting and showed how orphans really feel. How good it is to know that Jehovah will bring our dead loved ones back to life!
M. S. S., Brazil
I am 40 years old and have read and reread the article. I had tears in my eyes from beginning to end, since I was orphaned when I was two. Until now, I could not look at a picture of Mom and Dad without crying. Thank you for writing such articles!
J. C. V., France
My parents are alive, but I’m manic-depressive (bipolar) and interested in any article that discusses how to get through hard times. I just want to tell you that I love the real-life experiences and Bible-based counsel found in “Young People Ask . . .”

*** g99 8/8 30 From Our Readers ***
Hand Washing I am 11 and want to thank you for the article “Wash and Dry Your Hands!” (November 22, 1998) It encouraged me to wash my hands before eating and after using the toilet. In my town, infections are common, so the article was very useful.
M. F., Italy
Simple Pleasures Thank you for the “Watching the World” item “Children Prefer Simple Pleasures.” (November 22, 1998) I live apart from my children, and I am allowed to see them only once every three months. I didn’t know what to do when we spent time together, so I would do a lot of planning, fearing that they would get bored. Right before our day together arrived, I read this item. It came at exactly the right time!
M. Y., Japan

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need questions for FAQ on United Nations

by Dogpatch in

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hi folks,.

i am setting up a faq (frequently asked questions) about the united nations scandal with the watchtower.

it will be posted at:.

MoeJoJoJo

rekless,
Did you know that the WT quotes from the Guardian newspaper extensively? That's the argument that I use when a JW tells me that it must be an apostate newspaper. I ask them, why would the Society quote from an apostate newspaper? Then I tell them to look it up on their WT cd-all they have to do is type in Guardian under search.