obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.
A bethelite gave me this article last week because of my questions about 607 vs 587/586. I told him after reading it that the
GB rely on it since without it 1914 would crumble. The scholars, on the other hand, have nothing to lose. All he could say was: "So you trust the scholars more."
Most dubs will just eat it up and many who may have had problems with 607 will return to their normal routine. Thankfully not all, though.
when's the last time you prayed to god?
did he respond?
i prayed to him for years and years and received no response.
@moshe
With the uncertainty principle, at least with my understanding of it, we cannot calculate the position and momemtum of a particle because we use these very same particles to find them. At a small level like this, detecting things actually alters it so both cannot be found. God would not be limited like that.
@FlyingHighNow
You speak of unbelievable coincidences so I would like to see your opinion on this video to do with coincidences: how they are not as amazing as might first appear:
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when's the last time you prayed to god?
did he respond?
i prayed to him for years and years and received no response.
Ok I do not know how to embed, here is the link
hope y'all don't mind if i ghost write this post for my husband.... i recently let my friend borrow my copy of the movie "the island".
for those who haven't seen it, the plot takes place in a futuristic setting in los angeles where science has perfected human cloning.
the latest rage in medicine is to have a clone made and maintained for you should you ever need it for organ transplants.
I have not seen the Island (kinda weary of Michael Bay tbh) but I did think the Matrix was like the Borg, especially since they said some minds are "not ready" to be freed and others try to protect it- like many JWs. Also those that are free cannot really go back but do try to free others.
so, i think i am about ready to write my da letter... i am freaking done w this cult.... .
yesterday i went over to pick up some $$ from my old jw roommate (cellphone contract!
) and we started talking, since i am not df (yet) we still talk about regular stuff w/o a problem... she is almost 30, not exactly a model and not even remotely interested in going to school or getting a full time job (she wants to spend all of her time in the field circus because the end is near ::roll eyes::)... back to the story, while talking to her she started talking about this brother she rejected like 2 years ago, but now she wants him back because she realized she is not going to find another man with such a small pool of options... the dude is almost border line apostate now (tehehehe) and rejected her... guess what was he reaction?
I think it was just a immature knee-jerk reaction to getting rejected by him. She probably couldn't take it about just wanted to make herself feel and look better. Doesn't seem to be working out though.
well i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
Mad Sweeny,
I did show him the scripture you mentioned a few days ago. He said that Watchtower is not Jehovah's prophet. Believe me, he is not convicing me. I am surprised he is ok with seeing that scripture and continuing as if it is nothing.
He said I should look at the Daniel's Prophecy book, which talks about the UN thing. I have actually read it and can't remember, but again unless they actually have a quote which with a prophecy, I am not buying it. As I said before I showed him a few quotes about the different prophecies including 1874, he is fine with it though. My mum, on the other hand, is also doubting things a bit after seeing the past mistakes.
well i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
"Iseenow, I couldn't find a copy of CoC in any UK libraries. I have a hardcopy and a PDF, I would happily loan the book to you or email the PDF."
Thanks for the offer, but I would not want to you to lend a book to someone you do not know, I mean something could happen to it between the depature and destinations and when in my possession. Would not like that to happen. My Mum or people visiting might also get suspicious if they saw it.
The PDF version sounds good though. It would be great if you could email that.
well i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
Thanks guys. I didn't think I would get babtized with what I know now, and looking at your comments, I definately will not, nnless the elder can some how miraculously come up with an reasonable explanation.
"They always throw the "revival of the United Nations" into the ring,"
Yeah he did say something about the UN being formed after WWII.
"The problem is that on one hand they say they are God's mouthpiece, so you better believe and obey them or you'll die .... and then when they get it wrong (as they have repeatedly, just like Harold Camping) they say, "Well, hey, we're only human!" You can't have it both ways."
Told him that, only actual reply I got was "I can see your point there". JWN really helped me with the counter arguments in those convos.
"Have you read Crisis of Conscience and Captives of a concept? "
No, but have heard that CoC is really good. I would like to read it, do you know if it is available in libraries or something?
well i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
Well my Dad and my Mum had to split when I was 8. It was not divorce or anything, but too long to explain. He moved to tenerife and died in 2007. I wasobviously very, very upset about what happened, but I think it would have been a lot worse if he was still with us. You could say I was already used to him not being there before he passed away. I think it still feels like he is in tenerife, even after the funeral.
well i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
Well I have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account. Just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the Borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which I think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
Anyway, my Mum began to study when I was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth. I also, up until recently, believed in 'the truth' but I thought I lacked the right 'heart condition' by not having a personal relationship with God. One elder encouraged me to prove to my self that this is the truth before getting babtized by searching answers for my questions. I agreed that I would do that after my GCSE exams in June (for 15-16 year olds). One thing I did tell him, though, is that the generation change confused me becuase I did not understnad how they reached their conclusion ( which was sort of a back-of-my-mind thought). We searched this together and somehow I found a dictionary definition of 'generation' which included overlapping, so I 'said' that I understood it ( still was not 100% convinced though).
This sort of stayed stationary until my holiday began with which I began my- what you could call- research. I started out with the 1975 thing I had heard about from a few people and found the August 18, 1968 Watchtower on the subject. This intrigued me: it seems they did more than say it was 6000 years since Adam's creation, definately suggesting the end may well come sometime sortly after 1975. With that I began to check the internet and what it says about certain subjects. I was always curious with apostate websites but never really believed what people had to say because in my mind it lacked evidence. But a pile started to grow when I found they actually did: the flood could not have happened; GB has made countless predictions, laughable scientific and medical errors, and stated derogitry comments about other races; Watchtower twists facts, quotes out of context, and tells lies; Watchtower was a NGO with the UN; loads of cases of pedophilia and molestation; and finally countless changes to teaching (especially generation).
Meanwhile, I shared my new found information and increasing doubt with Mum and Bro. My Mum started saying I am planting doubt, but she could not leave truth. Me, thanks to the internet and especially JWN, started thinking this is all a lie and just exploitation of emotions and people's problems.
My Mum told the elder I have a few quesitions and would like to speak to him. After a series of three conversations, he knows I went on 'Apostate' websites, but I told him I had to to get quotes ( which I showed to him). He also knows I am having serious doubts and my main question of why the watchtower can be allowed contain so many failed prophecies has not been answered sufficently. He used the common arguments from him and literature that, "They are imperfect", "Jehovah allowed this to see loyalty of servants", "Watchtower never claimed inspiration", etc. I believe I defended my viewpoint on those statements, but another arguement he had was that the watchtower got many prophecies right, which I do not know about.
So now I am at a dilema, I am still unconviced about what he says. But becuase I have good friends in the congregation, which is one of the better ones IMO (based on reading what other peoples have been like), even if people are following blindly. My Mum and Bro are included, so it would be difficult to leave for emtional reasons and practical reasons. I do not believe in what they teach any more and I am even questioning my entire belief system (i.e. Bible, God) becuase I realised through the internet that I have no real justification for it. Anyway, just wanted to share and would like to ask for any advice. Thanks for reading.
