Simon, considering the lack of involvement in bash simon threads on JWO, I would think the obvious answer would be "No". However it seems I'm supposed to watch what I say here as well as everywhere else. So much for an abuse victim being able to vent once in awhile. I feel like I'm back in KH, where I have to watch what I do, even in public.
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You can't please all the people all the time
by Simon inthis is about running the forum:.
it's a balancing act.
it is impossible to please everyone all the time and i don't go out of my way to try to please anyone ... i just do what i think is right.. some good examples are controversial topics: if i lock or delete something that is controversial then i am accused of "stiffling free speech".
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Mary this is not always true, and there are woman that also go on to molest, it's depends on the individual, and how much the act disgusted them. I know men as well as women, that were molested, that have never molested themselves, and would never think about hurting a child in a million years. I've also heard about women molesting children, when they themselves were molested. My question what started this cycle? Since someone would have had to have been a molestor at some point, and never have been molested. What is to say, that the molesters that were molested, wouldn't have molested anyways, without ever being molested? This is just straight up devient behavior. Francoise, they do get treatment in Washington state, and extended incarceration, however people that have gotten this, still end up molesting when they get out.
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You can't please all the people all the time
by Simon inthis is about running the forum:.
it's a balancing act.
it is impossible to please everyone all the time and i don't go out of my way to try to please anyone ... i just do what i think is right.. some good examples are controversial topics: if i lock or delete something that is controversial then i am accused of "stiffling free speech".
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What threats are you talking about simon, I haven't made any threats towards you, that information is PUBLIC knowledge. You have made threats towards me however.
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You can't please all the people all the time
by Simon inthis is about running the forum:.
it's a balancing act.
it is impossible to please everyone all the time and i don't go out of my way to try to please anyone ... i just do what i think is right.. some good examples are controversial topics: if i lock or delete something that is controversial then i am accused of "stiffling free speech".
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I'm puzzled why people would talk about a person like this, that can't defend themselves, because they were banned. Kind of cowardly actually.
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Thanks to Carlo from Kents board for providing this translation!
The Tower is having considerable problems in Denmark in these days, as a servere JW-paedofile case is unmasked.
Now have a puke-bucket at hand.....
The moloster, now an old man, has abused his daughter Dorthe, from when she is 4 years old. Now she is 38 and steps forward. He also abused Dorthe's sister, as well as he preyed on two grandchildren. One grandchild he threatend by death.
But when Dothe was 12 years old, she was pregnant with her father. As explained detailed, by Dorthe herself in the transscript, the father killed the baby!!!!!
English Transcript is as follows:
Speak from the anchorman:
A father abusing his own children sexually is some of the most cruel situations that exist.
Something most of us reject and that we if we hear about it wants the social securities to investigate so the victims can get the proper help and so that the guilty will be prosecuted.
But that is not the reaction everywhere.
In this program that you will see several women tell about sexual abuse.
And in their need for help they went to their elders in the Jehovah's
Witnesses and were told to be silent.
A double punishment that according to several witnesses is not unusual in the closed environment within the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Intro - the anchorman speaks along with the first pictures of Dorthe in kitchen.
We are going to the north of Jutland. Here we meet Dorthe Tveiti - 38, married and mother to three children. Two years ago she started remembering her childhood - a childhood that has marked her for life.
Dorthe:
I was lying in my bed at night about to go to sleep. I always took my blanket so it covered my head, and I would sweat, but I did not dare pulling away the blanket because I was shaking. Some times I shook so much that the bed was tumbling.
Reporter:
Dorthe Tveiti is the youngest of three sisters. She is brought up on a farm in the little village Morum Northjutland.
Dorthe:
One of the first things I remember was that I was sitting on a couch in the living room and Henry my father came towards me and forced me to have oral sex - that is the first memory.
How old were you?
I was four years old.
Reporter:
The father Henry was a farmer and the mother was a housekeeper in the small society where everybody took care of their own business. Dorthe tried one time to tell about the abuse - but the father got to know about it.
Dorthe:
He beat me up very bad. He said why have you told about it? - It was the stable where he beat me till finally I start coughing up blood. He beat me up real bad.
Reporter:
The abuse continued and culminated when Dorthe Tveiti was 12 years old.
She got pregnant with her fathers child.
Dorthe:
So I say "Dad what do we do with this child" and he says "I will fix that" and then I know what will happen since he is a very violent man - I know that he will simply kill that child. The night that I deliver the baby - it is between 11 and 1 pm, then he takes the baby and goes to the kitchen, it is a little girl - she is healthy.
What happens then?
He walks to the kitchen and closes the door, then after a few seconds she stops crying.
Why did you not do anything?
What could I do - I was trapped, I could not do anything, and he would lie about it, I did not think about doing anything since I was so used to being abused.
What did your mother do?
She cleaned up after the delivery, washed me, and then she came to the couch and gave me a glass of milk and some bread with cheese and then she goes to the kitchen. I can hear them talk and after a while both of them come into the living room and then he says, "It is dead - and we will never talk about this again."
And you never spoke about it afterwards?
Never.
Reporter:
Two years ago, 24 years after it happened, Dorthe came forward with the accusations. But she had the odds against her. Nobody could confirm her pregnancy.
Reporter:
It is a tough accusation that involves murder and abuse, you come forward so many years after it actually happened. A typical person might ask, can this be true?
Dorthe:
Yes I know it is hard to accept but I can in detail remember what happened, what clothes I was wearing, where we were in the room, the feelings I had, the smell of the milk and the cheese I had, I can remember everything.
Yes, but after 20 years?
Yes but it has been so hard that I had to forget it, I simply could not stand thinking about it.
Reporter:
Dorthe stands weak in her accusations, since she first has memories about pregnancy and abuse so many years after it actually happened. But she has some witnesses that confirm her explanation. For example Dorthe's big brother wants to be anonymous but while he was living at home he witnessed several episodes.
Henning:
My father was tongue kissing my little sister - it was gross looking at.
Reporter:
Dorthe is not alone in her accusations against her father. Her big sister also accuses the father of sexual abuse. She does not want to be interviewed because of personal reasons. And now the father's grandchild tells about being abused also.
Randy:
It was in the mouth that he did it. That does not sound nice. Did you ever tell him to stop it or that you wanted to go home?
Randy:
Yes once when he did it on my little brother I tried to push him away and then he grabbed me by my neck and said that if I told my mom and dad he would kill me.
The two women's story is quite bizarre but their family is also members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently several witnesses had second thoughts about the father's behaviour - but nobody reacted.
Henning:
They came to me and said that it was strange how my father kissed my little sister.
Why did they not do anything about it?
I do not know why because they definitely noticed the wrong behaviour - but I guess that is a part of being a Jehovah's Witness that you remain silent.
Reporter:
The church's law dictates members to seek counselling with the leaders of the local congregation - the so called elders, if there is problems within the family. And Dorthe followed the congregation rules. She went for help with two elders, a factory worker and a window washer. Their fear was mainly concern about how the public would react.
Dorthe:
They said you do not want to tell the police because then you will have journalists lined up in front of your house. And the investigation will take a long time, it was as if we would be better off if we did not report this, we felt it was a threat in the way they said it.
Why do you think they reacted that way?
They want to cover up that such things happen, instead of taking care of it - they want to hide it.
Reporter:
And Randy Frederiksen also tried to get help from the elders at the local congregation. Their reaction was totally negative.
Randy:
They said they did not believe us and they treated us very bad.
Reporter:
Dorthe Tveiti and her sister were advised to confront the father with the accusations here in at Jehovah's Witnesses church at Aars in Northjutland. The father denied the accusations and since allegation stood against allegation Jehovah's Witness would not do anything about it. Dorthe Tveiti finally went to the police. When this occurred only then did the elders establish an investigation. A half year later their conclusion was:
Dorthe:
My father was to be looked upon as being innocent and the case was closed, nobody must ever talk about it again, and we were not allowed to talk about it.
Randy:
They say that it never happened, they nothing they could do about it, we shall respect him, he is such an old man and we should feel pity for him.
Reporter:
The two women's experience with Jehovah's Witness' dealing with the matter is not unique. Right now the police in Scotland press charges against Jehovah's Witness for withholding information regarding a father who abused his children sexually.
In USA there are several cases where Jehovah's Witnesses try to cover up cases about sexual abuse.Below is part two, of which the board did not permit me to post at once.
enjoy
Carlo
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Bill Bowen was two years ago an elder in a Jehovah's Witness congregation in the USA state of Kentucky. As an elder he came to acknowledge about fellow member who abused children.
Bill Bowen:
So in my attempts to protect that child as well as warn the congregation that he was a child molester I was told by the organization, the legal department to leave it in God's hands and not to report the matter.
Reporter:
When an elder receives information about abuse in the congregation, he is required to call the main office Watchtower in Brooklyn NY about how to deal with the matter. Jehovah's Witnesses guidelines MUST be followed by the local congregations - a law, which is above, mans law.
Bill Bowen:
So if the governing body says theocratic procedure requires you do not report this, and you do not obey, you disobey God.
Reporter:
But Bill Bowen decided to go against the guidelines of Jehovah's Witnesses. He came forward to the public and told about the organizations cover up on child abuse.
Bill Bowen:
The policy by the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses by their leadership is 100 % the same in any country in the entire world. So if you are in Denmark or in Kentucky you WILL follow the policy on how child abuse is investigated and how it is handled.
I think the same problem that exists in the USA will continue to exist in Denmark and across other countries. Children are going to be molested, child molesters are going to be protected, so the paedophile paradise is alive and well in the USA and Denmark has their own paedophile paradise created by Watchtower policy.
Reporter:
Dorthe Tveiti is better after long treatment. She will soon start an education as a social worker. Randy Fredriksen starts in January at the nursing school. They are both still member of the Jehovah's Witnesses though they do not go to meetings in the congregation.
Randy:
They do not want to be with me, even though I am not rejected, some of my friends just do not contact me anymore, and some has directly told me that I am bad association.
Dorthe Tveiti:
In the organisation that you have always led to believe that justice would happen in the congregation, such people are not to be tolerated, and then you find out that nothing happens - at least nothing happened with my father, he is just to be considered innocent, and we are not to talk about it anymore, it is like having your feet swept off the floor.
Reporter:
After a long investigation the case against Dorthe Tveiti's father was shelved. The accusations about abuse are outdated. It has not been possible to find the remains of Dorthe Tveit's daughter. She still hopes that someday her daughter will be found.
Dorthe:
I think about her everyday, she is still a part of me.
What would bring you closure?
If I found her, so I had a place to go, that would bring me closure.
The anchorman there after has an interview with Erik Jorgensen the press speaker of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Denmark. He denies everything.
The anchorman after the interview says:
We have of course tried to get in touch with Dorthe Tveiti's father, but he does not answer our phone calls. -
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Downloading MP3 Music - Is that wrong?
by JH inhow easy it is to download mp3 music on the internet.
with kazaa, or other sites, it becomes child play.
do you feel that it's right or wrong for a person to do that?
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It IS NOT illegal to make mix CD's for your own personal use, as long as you own the cd's that contain the original songs, period, it's called fair use, and has been backed up by the supreme court. Look up fair use, this is why you can record songs off the radio, and record tv shows off the air, for personal use, it's fair use, you can't however turn around and sell these. I see nothing wrong with downloading songs, and turning around and buying the cd. I do it all the time, there is a alot of crap out there, where a band has one really good song, and the rest of the album sucks, I'd really like to know before I'd go out and spend money on overpriced CD's.
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Report on news coverage in DALLAS!!!!
by Jesika inwell, all i can say is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they have been preparing everyone by way on tv and radio on the sexual abuse in the jw religion.
they had a small piece on the 6 o'clock news with a small interview with bill bowen.
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((((Jesika))))!!! Fantastic!
If someone recorded this on video, tape, if you could send me a copy, I can get it up on the silentlambs website.
Thanks
Charlie
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Salvadoran JW house cleaner STOLD my homemade JAM
by Cappuccino OC inyup, .
i have a cleaning lady because i had surgery on my left arm and i have a cast.
i hired her because i thought i could trust her.
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Scootergirl you Rock!
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So, am I a phoney?
by kenpodragon ini have taken a break from the baby wait to come to the board and see what is happening.
recently i had a run in with some people from another board, that also attend this board.
in a search of my name on this site, i see that people (two weeks later) are still mentioning this and me.
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Very difficult to actually determine if your sincere or not, maybe a phone call would be better, since you can't tell on here. Me and Larc, came to an understanding that way.
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So, am I a phoney?
by kenpodragon ini have taken a break from the baby wait to come to the board and see what is happening.
recently i had a run in with some people from another board, that also attend this board.
in a search of my name on this site, i see that people (two weeks later) are still mentioning this and me.
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The problem with what kenpo on the other board, wasn't the fact that he attacked other people, but someone posted a link, and information about silent lambs, nothing to do bb/rf stuff, and kenpo went off on them, basically telling everyone that it's not a support group. Attacking a couple of abuse victims, in my book, does not bold well for me. It's down right shameful. Go ahead and support a man that would do this, but is that the way you want to come across?