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LANDMARK DECISION - Vicki Boer vs Watchtower Society

by Uzzah in

as most are aware, vicki boer has been long awaiting a decision to be handed down in a case she started against the society in canada.. the decision was handed down today.

as with any 55 page decision, it will take some time for the legal experts to hash it over and decipher what was said.

but, in a nutshell..... vicki won.

needs_lots

yes, it does seem like alot. I just finished reading the judges decision a few minutes ago. Iam not feeling very good about it now. She completely believes the elders when they said they would never make a person apply matt 18 for a child abuse case,(they did), she believed them when they said there was never a face to face confrontation at the judical commettee with me and my father (there definitly was!!!!!), and she said I was obviously too distressed at the time to remember. Iam hoping to get a copy of the decision and post it tonight. So stay tuned........I will send it asap. I also heard from a news report that the elders have sent out a news release saying they have been vindicated from the charges, and that the judge had made an errror on a point of law, and that their lawyers would be dealing with it shortly. Does this mean appeal? The 2 elders may have gotten away with it, but the wt society was charged with negligence. This makes me want to fight the battle to the end.(my husband is worried). Too many children have been put through these judicial meetings for them to get off this easy!!!! THis battle is not over until this fat lady sings!!!!!!!!! Help.......I need everyones help on this. Its a battle we have to fight together. Anyone know any ex-jw millionairs that have some extra cash to help the cause!

If we win this one, it will lead the way for others who are fighting. Not sure if my hubby can keep fighting.

vic

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LANDMARK DECISION - Vicki Boer vs Watchtower Society

by Uzzah in

as most are aware, vicki boer has been long awaiting a decision to be handed down in a case she started against the society in canada.. the decision was handed down today.

as with any 55 page decision, it will take some time for the legal experts to hash it over and decipher what was said.

but, in a nutshell..... vicki won.

needs_lots

Hello,

Vicki here from Fredericton,

We are very happy about the victory. Believe me press articles are coming..........today in fact I had 4 reports call to do stories. I will definitly post them as they come. Hawk......where are you when I need you?! The only thing finiancially that my husband and I are concerned with is the 100,000 legal debt. Not sure if it will put us into bankruptcy if we end up paying. My lawyer still hasnt gotten back to us to let us know if the other side pays. Keep the posts coming, they keep me uplifted. I will try to get the verdict, I still do not have it, and have not seen it yet.

vicki

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LANDMARK DECISION - Vicki Boer vs Watchtower Society

by Uzzah in

as most are aware, vicki boer has been long awaiting a decision to be handed down in a case she started against the society in canada.. the decision was handed down today.

as with any 55 page decision, it will take some time for the legal experts to hash it over and decipher what was said.

but, in a nutshell..... vicki won.

needs_lots

Iam still in shock. I don't know whether to celebrate or not. $5000.00 was such a small amount to cover the terrible past pain and present pain. One flight ticket to toronto cost that much, and I made at least 10. So Iam still not sure how much of a win this is. I know that money is not everything, but it definitly is something. I have 3 small girls who have suffered for 5 years of lawsuits, sometimes going without, knowing that when the judgement came down we would be able to pay off the legal debt, and live again. I feel like I have let my family down. iam the one who should have payed for their mistake, not them. But again, this is just how I feel today. Iam glad to hear how much of a difference this decision will make to fighting them in the future. We did win. I still have not seen the decision, and my lawyer still has not read it, I have only gotton this information from a 3rd party who was able to get it faxed. I will find out in the next few days whether or not the society pays all the legal bills. It would really be bad if we won the small amount and still had to pay legal.

I hope the does help other people. 5th estate will be following up with another story, and now that the decision has been made, we can say anything. Lets hope the jerks don't appeal. THey should be happy they got off so light. The thing that makes me most mad was when they lied on the stand the judge believed them. They said they would not have applied Matt 18 to an abuse case,(even though they did), and they never do. They lied, and the judge believed. Anyway.......I will let all know what happens when my lawyer finally gets a chance to read the bloody thing.

vic

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My last dance

by TorturedSoul in

simon...thank you for having this site available.... avishai and lady lee, and all others involved with care and treatment, keep up the good work.

as the survivor of a sexual assault that occurred when i was 10 and a few years later under the guise of treatment help, i have always found it difficult to describe the fury of emotions and self-assessment that followed the crime.

even though i coped, my struggle is made insignificant with words.

needs_lots

TS,

I too have been reading some of the posts but yours has touched me. I have not been on this site for very long and feel I owe alot of people here a "thank YOu" for all the support they have given my through my trial in Canada. I have not followed your story. Iam sorry. I too understand the great pain of abuse. Please tell me why you ended your letter in such a way. I'am scared to know the answer. It sounds like something bad is going to happen to you, and that makes me sad. Life really sucks sometimes, but it sounds like you know where you are going. I would have loved to know more about you. Iam really just new to all of this. Please keep in touch. If it helps you to know, in case you have not read my posts on my trial, I understand what its like for people to brush you off, and not believe you. As long as you have one person, I have my husband, who understands, then you will be alright. LOVE YOU TS>

victoria

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has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?

by doodle-v in

does anyone know the answer to this?

has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the org?

i've heard of many cases against them, but i'm curious to know if any have been successful.

needs_lots

They tried to settle with me as well before trial, and I was about to sign until at the last minute they threw in a claus that said if I was to mention the settlement to anyone they would sue me for millions. I wasnt even allowed to tell my own sister without risking that she would say something to someone else. The pre-trial judge suggeseted me not to sign. So then we went to court.

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Vicki Boer Update from Silentlambs

by blondie in

i spoke with vicky this morning and the decision by the judge has been postponed.

for thirty more days.

this is difficult for the boer family as this now means.

needs_lots

Hawkeye

From Scott

In response to your post I would like to raise the following arguments:

1. The idea of constitutional challenge is interesting but what will be at stake is not the religious freedom of the JW's but whether the JW's have the right to infringe on the basic human rights of one of its members once that member has stated that they do not want to go throught with a religious practice.

To use an analogy:

Your boss wants to engage in a sexual relationship with you. You are not interested and state so.. but then your boss brings financial pressure to bear, indicating that you might lose your job and your house and maybe your marriage if you dont cooperate.

If you then succumb to the pressure and later bring charges against your boss the courts would side with you in a heartbeat and find the boss guilty of using undue influence and his/her position of authority over you to force you to do something you dont want to.

If the boss then used the argument that it is a company policy that employees have to sleep with their boss he would be laughed out of court. Would the courts say that he has no responsibility because you could have quit and walked away from your sole source of income at any time.

The JW's were vickis life at that time ... all her family and friends were JW's... For them to say that she could have just stopped being a JW and walk away was absurd. Age of the person is no greater a factor than it would be for a date rape case.

The basic tenent of my argument is this:

The charter of rights and freedoms guarantees a persons right to volontarily partake of a religion and any religious practice they want without interference from a third party.

However once a person states that they dont want to partake of a religious practice or policy, they are setting themselves apart from that religion and asserting their rights as a Canadian citizen. The charter of rights and freedoms then should shelter them from undue influence by the religion to submit to a mentaly or physically harmful practice.

If the religion then brings to bear an undue influence on that person and causes harm to their physical or mental well being then the religion has contravened the Charter of rights and freedoms and in my mind has broken their fiduciary duty.

Once having inflicted harm on their member the church owes a duty of care to mitigate the damages caused by their actions. If they then simply set adrift the member and ignore the damage they caused then they are guilty of neglegence.

At no time did vicki submit willingly to the process. She was very vocal in her opposition and it was only after extreme pressure was brought to bear that she submitted. The elders ignored her cries for help and her angst about the confrontation process.

Then to be told to forgive the abuser was simply cruel.

Scott

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Vicki Boer Update from Silentlambs

by blondie in

i spoke with vicky this morning and the decision by the judge has been postponed.

for thirty more days.

this is difficult for the boer family as this now means.

needs_lots

I big Hello and Thanks for all the wonderful support for Vic.............

Her Girls.................These three little girls are why we need to win this.......and all the other children......

victoria

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canadian justice coming to an end this week, hopefully

by needs_lots in

to all who have been following my lawsuit against the society here in canada, the judge is to make her decision this week.

it has been a long 8 months since the trial, but we are keeping our fingers crossed that she makes the right decision when it comes to protecting the children (and myself) from the wrongs of the society.

we have not heard yet if she needs more time, so friday is the end of her extension.

needs_lots

Hello Again,

It is 9pm and we just heard from the lawyer that the judge was granted another 30 day extension. I was pissed and angry because by lawyer knew about this yesterday and did not inform me. She says she will definitely make her decision on or before the 30th and that she is almost finished now, but needs just a little more time to conclude it. This waiting, and waiting and more and more extensions are putting me over the edge. It seems like whenever I think I can't do it anymore, and Iam hanging in by the hour, I have to wait again. I will still keep everyone informed. THanks to razorblade and neverthere for the calls today.

victoria

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canadian justice coming to an end this week, hopefully

by needs_lots in

to all who have been following my lawsuit against the society here in canada, the judge is to make her decision this week.

it has been a long 8 months since the trial, but we are keeping our fingers crossed that she makes the right decision when it comes to protecting the children (and myself) from the wrongs of the society.

we have not heard yet if she needs more time, so friday is the end of her extension.

needs_lots

Its is now 2pm and still no word. Thanks Ladylee for the message. I just got home. I will keeep all informed. Can''t stay online long just in case i miss an important phone call.

vic

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canadian justice coming to an end this week, hopefully

by needs_lots in

to all who have been following my lawsuit against the society here in canada, the judge is to make her decision this week.

it has been a long 8 months since the trial, but we are keeping our fingers crossed that she makes the right decision when it comes to protecting the children (and myself) from the wrongs of the society.

we have not heard yet if she needs more time, so friday is the end of her extension.

needs_lots

" D DAY "

What ever happens today, I want to send out a special thanks to all who have over the past 5 years supported and encouraged me. A special thanks to Warren, scully and mouthy, who all called me last night to keep my spirits up. It is only 9 am so I still have not heard. I will post again tonight, hopefully we will have an answer by then.

victoria & scott & girls

needs_lots

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