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  Should't they cancel their meeting tonight?

  by carla in

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  i find it kind of amusing that as worldly people who pass by a kh and know nothing of jw's tonight will think that the jw's are having a christmas eve service.

  many churches have a number of services tonight; children's program, family/christmas eve service and maybe a midnight candlelight service.. you know how some jw's won't even wear red between nov & dec lest anybody think they are celebrating the holidays?

  well then, shouldn't they cancel tonight's meeting so nobody thinks they are doing their own christmas eve service?

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  A bunch of the sisters in the hall wore red tops last night. I wonder if some of the elders were mad about that.
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  So the Witnesses still believe in rapture

  by eyeslice2 in

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  according today's watchtower, all the remaining ones of the anointed ones will be in heaven when the great tribulation breaks to join jesus in the battle against evil.

  the watchtower was making the point that at that time god's organization will be ran by members of the 'other sheep'.

  it didn't say how these remaining ones find themselves in heaven, but presumably they will be taken, i.e.

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  If they are really the elite ones of god, then they would know in what form the visible sign of Christ that appears in heaven.
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  Great Crowd and a pair of elephants, invisible.

  by waton in

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  for lurkers: current study article 1st december wt.

  in sept. study edition.

  details hidden in the discussion: a pair of 'elephants in the room', and their calves.

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  Huge contradictions about the location of the great crowd with the WT interpretation..

  Rev 7:9 NWT2013 "After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, and out of all the nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in white robes, and their were palm branches in their hands."

  If they think that "standing before the throne" means remotely identified as being on planet paradise earth then they have a problem with what is said in verse 11.

  Rev 7:11 NWT2013 "All the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures and they fell facedown before the throne worshipped God."

  These angels, elders and four living creatures were in heaven when they were around the throne but when they went facedown to worship God they were all residing on paradise earth for that moment when they were before the throne. It makes no sense.
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  Hypocritical elders

  by JimmyYoung in

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  i used to work with an elder every day for several years.

  one thing that helped me out of the cult was his hypocrisy.

  our work was in construction and it would often run us late for meetings.

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  It's only about keeping up appearances. The love that they proclaim is just veneer deep. They'll get what's coming to them in the end.
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  Was Paul A false Prophet?

  by saorean in

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  i ask the question on the title because there a quite a number of statements the apostle paul made about the coming of jesus and resurrection of the holy ones that never fulfilled.

  1 corinthians 15: 51, 52 (nwt) : .

  i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.

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  2 Cor 12:2-5 comes to mind.

  This is where Paul boasts about a man who received a supernatural vision about the third heaven and paradise. Since Paul was not given the vision then everything he says and writes is suspect to be personal opinion?

  I looked up "third heaven" in the Insight book and the WT outright says the vision in this bible verse was given to Paul. Even though Paul states the vision was given to another man they outright twist the scripture and say the other man must have been Paul. They want Paul to be inspired but he was not.
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  The serpent in the Garden can’t be secretly Satan

  by Doug Mason in

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  we know that the serpent in the garden can’t be secretly satan, because the first time satan is mentioned by name is in a story chronologically after this one, and in that, he is said to be walking.

  remember that the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly all the rest of his days, but in the book of job, satan is still walking around and chatting with god as if they’d never had a falling out.

  this is when god had to ask satan where he’s been, because his infallible omniscience obviously didn’t know.. so if he had to ask that of satan, who is later described as the lord of lies, then why would god believe him?

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  Another thing about genesis mythology always intrigued me, regarding whether it might be “true”, is
  

  I find it interesting that the Boa constrictor and the Python both have under developed hind limbs called vestigial organs. The portion of the limb that is visible on the surface of the scales appears to be talon like. Mostly only one talon is present on each side. In some rare cases dual talons are present on each side. The snakes have the ability to move these “claws” around their pivot point whenever certain conditions motive them.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_spur

  Here’s an interesting article about the Sonic Hedgehog gene.

  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/10/snakes-grow-legs-evolution/snakes-grow-legs-evolution/

  "Sonic hedgehog is a gene that is necessary for limb development, one of several genes named after the hedgehog-like spines that grow from embryos when limb development begins.

  An enhancer controls the activation of the Sonic hedgehog gene, causing it to flicker on and off. In snakes, a mutation in the enhancer keeps the gene from staying in the “on” position, allowing for limbs to grow.

  “In lizards, Sonic hedgehog stays on and acts as the motor, driving limb development all the way down into the fingers and the toes,” explained Cohn.

  In the recent study Cohn and Francesca Leal published in Current Biology, researchers discovered Sonic hedgehog flickered to “on” at certain stages of python development. That’s why pythons sometimes have small claws protruding from their skin: They are beginning to develop limbs.

  What that means is it’s possible for the pythons of today to grow legs—and it doesn’t require an entire evolutionary cycle for them to do so. They just need the right genetic mutation to help along the limbs they already have."

  The Boa and the Python already have the genes to grow legs but they are being inhibited for some unknown reason.
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  Cringe in December

  by neat blue dog in

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  oh boy, the meetings lined up for december are culty.. it all starts with a 5 minute talk someone has to give on the topic "why should we not be troubled by the increase of memorial partakers in recent years?".

  the next week again inserts jws into bible prophecy, first with "the earth swallowed up the river", which claims that court victories for the org are really god's doing.

  there is no mention on who is responsible for the many judgements against the org.. then there's this chart to be discussed that same night:.

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  Yes, it seems reasonable to conclude that just who comprise the 144,000 members of the body of Christ will be common knowledge to those of the “other sheep” living in the post-Armageddon new world... And the Most High himself will firmly establish her. Jehovah himself will declare, when recording the peoples: ‘This is one who was born there.’”
  

  They say, "it seems reasonable to conclude" all too often when trying to prove a point with no solid facts. The above quote really caught my eye.

  Per that quote, the 144,000 will never cross paths with a human in paradise. So they have to make a statement that God will provide a list who is up there to some human on earth.

  The last part, "about Jehovah recording of the peoples" has a big hole with regards to informing the masses of his intentions. Back in Genesis God said that he would bring a deluge in 120 years. He did not disclose that countdown to Noah. The scriptures make no mention of Noah preaching any countdown to the antediluvials. When making a recording he probably will keep the information to himself and not disclose who is part of the 144,000 to the earthlings.

  They have the end time details all wrong.
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  Whatever is bound on EARTH is already Loosed in Heaven

  by Alex Williams in

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  when a person is guilty and worthy of punishment, the judgment ‘will already have been bound in heaven jesus said and if they are loosed or innocent it will already have been “loosed in heaven..in such judicial deliberations, jesus says, “where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.” .

  psalm 127:3.. children are a sacred trust, “an inheritance from jehovah.

  jws abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.its recognized that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes.jws do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities as has been alleged.

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  That is why the recent Watchtower study articles had to be presented to the Congregations. The Bodies of Elders were not following the direction per the written procedure. I don't know what the legal department was doing at Bethel in the past but they are corrected now. I believe Jesus was not present in those Judicial meetings because the spirit was being grieved. Judah and Israel were a theocracy once but the bible said many times that Jehovah left them due to their actions. Jesus would do the same with those seven stars in his hand.
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  Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

  by sweetyj in

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  we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

  but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

  i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

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  Jhine, you are so right. In the past I would cringe whenever I saw the cross. The WT made it so taboo. I never thought about it being a tool to keep former members from joining other churches. Good observation.

  I don't know if it has already been said but there is another interesting fact to prove that it had a cross beam. John 21:18-19 has Jesus describing Peter's future death. "...But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and another man will clothe you and carry you where you do not wish. He said this to indicate by what sort of death he would glorify God."

  Peter was going to stretch out his arms on a cross beam and be crucified per the scripture above. This sounds as if the common torture device being used in Peter's day was a cross. Peter and Jesus were similar in age so Jesus had to have been put on the same type of device.
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  Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

  by sweetyj in

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  we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

  but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

  i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

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  He died on a large stake that was permanently anchored into the ground. He first carried the cross beam through the streets and was ridiculed. Once Jesus reached skull place the Roman soldiers placed him on the cross beam and then hoisted him up on the large stake. All the facts point to this method. The solo upright stake theory has so many flaws.