Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?

by minimus in

regarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.

from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.

Acluetofindtheuser

Maybe they misunderstood the lifespan intended for the generation mentioned in the gospels. If Genesis 6:3 is meant to be a lifespan limit then the Organization has until 2034 to get the Armageddon date right, with respect to 1914. Then again it would have to be sooner because that year is based on ones born in 1914.

Top 10 Oldest People Ever:

Kamato Hongo - 116 years

Carrie C. White - 116 years

Elizabeth Bolden - 116 years

Tane Ikai - 116 years

Maria Esther Heredia de Capovilla - 116 years

Marie-Louise Meilleur - 117 years

Lucy Hannah - 117 years

Sarah Knauss - 119 years

Shigechiyo Izumi - 120 years

Jeanne Calment - 122 years

Dang! Those people are old.

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

Acluetofindtheuser

It's fine with me. The lower the service time the less you have to speak from the platform. Besides, I get stage fright. It's hard for me to put together a talk. I've never been good at organizing my thoughts to make a good presentation. Everyone always does better than me. I just assume they give the talks because its more beneficial to the audience. The ones that are good at it should be doing the talks and the ones that aren't shouldn't.

We all have gifts in different areas. My true spiritual self comes out when someone who knows me hears me explain my faith and my God. When I'm at the door with a stranger we are both uncomfortable with the situation and a deep conversation cannot take place. I have softened more peoples hearts at work about the witnesses than anything I have done in the ministry. One guy at work won't slam the door on witnesses anymore because I am one. We're not all that bad. As you can tell with my sentence structure I was never meant to speak publicly from the platform.

My publisher card may have low numbers but I know God is still leading and showing me what I need to know.

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shouldn't this say "Has Jehovah given new light"

by therevealer in

why is it "has the governing body changed its mind"???

first they replaced jesus and now even jehovah plays second fiddle.. "has the governing body changed its mind about the closeness of the great tribulation?

" asked brother pierce.

Acluetofindtheuser

All they know right now is their desire to get out of the big city.

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The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

by cedars in

i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

Acluetofindtheuser

I believe both trees had different types of hormones in their fruit. One particular tree would start puberty and sexual attraction in humans. Adam and Eve were as innocent children not knowing physical attraction. Choosing to eat of the forbidden fruit launched puberty and attraction, with God out of the picture.

God was waiting for them to ask the question on how to mate, since there was no physical drive to turn themselves on. They had no desire to become many and fill the earth so they did not ask him the question about sex drive. When the time was right he would have presented them to one of the trees for their next step.

Otherwise, if they were created fully mature Adam would have had intercourse with Eve the moment she was fully cooked and they would have had a perfect bun in the oven before the transgression. This would have created a paradox for God if the later was true. A number of perfect babies could have been born before the temptation. There would have been a world mixed with perfect humans and sinning humans.

The trees were meant to be hormone injectors. One tree launches procreation and one tree ensures errorless cellular reproduction.

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GB: "We don't know if Jehovah wants us to build new headquarters, but we're doing it anyway..."

by cedars in

the latest august 15th watchtower study edition features an interesting review of the society's annual meeting.. one comment struck me as evidence that the governing body isn't quite as "discreet" as it claims.. here is what the article said:.

"there are plans to develop a 248-acre (100 ha) property at warwick.

'although we are not yet certain of jehovahs will regarding warwick,' said brother pierce, 'we are proceeding to develop the site with the intention of relocating the world headquarters of jehovahs witnesses there.

Acluetofindtheuser

They're following the path of Causality. Every move is a hunch because there is no inspiration.

I think they're following this scripture.

"If the clouds are full of rain, they empty themselves on the earth, and if a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where the tree falls, there it will lie."

They go wherever the wind blows them.

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Brother Hero wants to watch Faith in Action with me this Saturday

by garyneal in

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the question i have is, should i even bother?

i am not even sure why he wants to watch this particular video.

ive already seen it with my wife a few days ago and already seen how they leave a lot of details out concerning their teachings of old.

Acluetofindtheuser

It was kind of cool to see old movie clips of Russel and Photo Drama of Creation in the DVD. After seeing Russel talk on camera I wondered what the org would look like if he were alive today? He was quite the revolutionary who wasn't afraid to speculate. If he was on the GB today he'd probably be kicked off for being too wild and independent.

Can you imagine the outcome if they had young GB members today? They should have one wild card in their ranks to shake'm up a bit? One revolutionary 25 year old maybe. Fresh and new ideas usually come from the younger generations. Just look at the StarWars movies. Lucas was very imaginative in the beginning, with his first three films. The last three were just yuck, except for the fight scene with Darth Maul, Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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Does God need humans and their organisations to speak for him?

by Fernando in

is god's word or message.

(the multi-ingredient "unabridged gospel" or "good news").

which is hidden in plain sight throughout scripture.

Acluetofindtheuser

The path becomes muddy periodically and God sends messengers to get his word back on track. Anyone up to being a prophet of God to correct the wayward Org? Does God speak to you so you can bring meaningful change?

Just look at biblical history with Israel being set up by God.

First Org: Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Bad, then Org splits in Two-North and South.

North Org: Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Bad, Cut off for good

South Org: Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Bad, Cut off temporarily

Return of South Org: Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Revolutionary comes, South Org deemed Bad

New kind of Org: Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad, Good, Bad or Good-You decide

Seems like the Good-Bad trend is normal and God is the only one responsible for correcting it. This is meaningless if you don't subscribe to the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus saga.

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2005 - The year the Society began its decline (without anyone noticing)!

by cedars in

i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.

hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.

the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.

Acluetofindtheuser

Hi Steve. Thanks for your kind reply. It means a lot to me. I was kind of worried I might get sarcastic responses to my posts.

I came to this site because this is the only place I can discuss deep issues I can't discuss at the Hall without being taken to the back room. I've signed onto other discussion forums to discuss these matters but no one can relate to me because they don't have a witness background. One close friend of mine a while back told me to write to the society about some of these concepts. I told him I would never do that because it did not feel right. That feeling was confirmed when I saw that recent thread saying that writing to the society only brings trouble for yourself.

Thanks for listening.

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Armaggeddon may occur invisibly

by mankkeli in

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at the end of today's meeting, some over-righteous friends were discussing the various possibilities of armaggeddon occuring invisibly, considering the explanation given within the "parousia" domain on the invisible presence of christ in 1914. they reffered to some articles which i am presently looking through.. .

while he was sitting upon the mount of olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence [pa?rou?sia, greek] and of the conclusion of the system of things?.

"in our day, then, what is meant by the biblical expression the presence of our lord jesus christ?

Acluetofindtheuser

I've never heard any witness say Armageddon would come invisibly. If one I knew ever said that I would laugh at them and tell them they were nuts.

Armageddon will be very physical. The show will feel like a high budget sci-fi movie. Get your popcorn out. No invisible this or invisible that, Jesus will return at its climax and he will be in the incarnate form. The timeline for this is anyone's guess. Maybe the world will change severely after the Mayan date comes and goes and the generation count will start from there.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Diapers and Dentures

by Refriedtruth in

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growing old in the watchtower's "spiritual paradise" really sucks!.

this is 2012 and i am a younger 'baby boomer' born 1957 so i am 55 years old.... in another 20 or 30 years tops i have this destiny along with every human being including millions of devout jehovah's witnesses.. there is no watchtower 'new system paradise' you will grow old and die.if there really is an apocalyptic event of armageddon jesus christ advent,it only means that the watchtower organization will be swept away along with all other false religion..

Acluetofindtheuser

Wow! That watchtower magazine was an eye opener. I was too young to remember that picture back in 84. The last person to die in that image was Sophie Yuchniewicz, which was in 2008. They revised the generation teaching in 1995, correct?

Now we just wait for December 21, 2012 to see if the Mayans got it right. That's when the Mayan war god named Bolon Yokte' comes down from heaven to bring strife to the world.