Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses.
discreetslave
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Things to inspire JW Youth...We're rooting for you
by discreetslave injehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.
only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2w-enhvdk.
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Continuing to draw the line between cults and DESTRUCTIVE cults
by sabastious inthe easiest place to start understanding a spectral concept, such as cults, is to indentify it's lowest and highest points rather than starting somewhere in the middle.. so lets call the lowest point of the cult spectrum benign and the highest point destructive.. a good example of an extremely benign cult would be the following of the not so popular 80s movie: the princess bride of which i consider myself a member (no documentation .
if you were to come up to me and claim to be part of the princess bride's cult following i could figure out whether you are a true member by asking you a few questions.
based on your answers i could then conclude that you either meet the criteria or that you do not.
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discreetslave
@MrDarkKnight I feel you. Labels can build a wall especially if applied without proof to backup the claim.They misuse the term apostate. Scripturally I am not an apostate. They take the scriptures out of context to mean being against them.
I use the term cult because they fit the description by a cult expert. I came to view them as a cult while reading Hassan's book. I wanted out of the religion before this but I kept askig what if I'm wrong. Reading Hassan's book helped break the mental grip cults have on followers. To see their way of doing things is not special or from God released me. That is why so many suggest this book. It's like pulling the curtain on the Wizard of oz. This allowed me to truly love myself.
some excerpts
Pg 45 para.4 In some cults, members are systematically made to be phobic about ever leaving the group. Today's cults know how to effectively implant vivid negative images deep within members' unconscious minds, making it impossible for the member to even conceive of ever being happy and successful outside of the group. When the unconscious is programmed to accept the negative images, it behaves as though they were true. The unconscious mind is made to contain a substantial image-bank of all of the bad things that will occur if anyone should ever betray the group.
Pg 79 para 2 Since mind control depends on creating a new identity within the individual, cult doctrine always requires that a person distrust his own self. The doctrine becomes the "master program" for all thoughts, feelings, and actions. Since it is the TRUTH, perfect and absolute, any flaw in it is viewed as only a reflection of the believer's own imperfection. He is taught that he must follow the prescribed formula even if he doesn't really understand it. At the same time he is told that he should try to work harder and have more faith so he will come to understand the truth more clearly.
Pg 82 para.2,3 The cult member comes to live within a narrow corridor of fear, guilt, and shame. Problems are always the fault of the member, and are due to his weak faith, his lack of understanding, "bad ancestors," evil spirits, and so forth. He perpetually feels guilty for not meeting standards. He comes to believe that "evil" is out to get him. In every destructive cult I have encountered, fear is a major motivator. Each group has its devil lurking around the corner waiting for members to tempt and seduce, to kill or to drive insane. The more vivid and tangible a devil the group can conjure up, the more intense is the cohesiveness it fosters.
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Do you have ...
by talesin inan inspirational quote or saying you would like to share?
i have a little book that i write stuff down in,, some funny, some serious .... .
here's one i stole from a friend's f/b feed..... .
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discreetslave
George W Bush
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
"They misunderestimated me." --Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
"This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base." --at the 2000 Al Smith dinner
"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
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Update: I got the shun at my dad's funeral- the best outcome really!!
by Coffee House Girl inhello all jwn .
so glad to have that over with- it was surreal to walk in the kh after two years...it is just a building to me now (not "jehovah's house").
i must say that now i'm on the outside...what a boring sad building- the people were not joyful and friendly (just older and fatter than i remember)- i got the nervous stares and shaky "hi" when i looked at all of them and said hello.. my mom was sitting all by herself in the front row of the hall...i went and sat by her side.
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discreetslave
JW BS is over.
Continue to honor your dad.
How is your brother doing with all this?
I'm wishing you guys the best.
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..Which has Caused You the Most Grief in Your Life..The Outside World or Watchtower World?..
by OUTLAW inaccording to the wbt$... the outside world is supposed to be a horrible place... .
the outside world hasn't caused me nearly as much grief,as watchtower world... outside world (5% grief).....watchtower world..(95% grief)... .
which has caused you the most grief in your life... the outside world or watchtower world?...
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discreetslave
Watchtower World Pros : Loving Husband, Wonderful Children, some good conditional friendships
Watchtower World Cons: low self-esteem, guilt over everything, loss of positivity, depresion, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts, resentment, jealousy, paxil, ritalin, adderall, vyvanse, abilify, lamictal, risperdal, cymbalta, contractor br's ripping us off, debt due to rip off, lack of decent health insurance, debt due to poor health insurance, risked bleeding out during surgery, weight gain, sexual frustration, didn't look forward to the next day, never lived in the present, no college, loss of ambition, boring meetings, cognitive dissonance,false Christianity, lack of true spirituality,shunning of good friends,shutting down my children's potential, possibility of losing loving husband & wonderful children...
Outside World Pros: Loving husband, wonderful children, no in laws, guilt free sex, no meds, working on paying off debt, ambition, thinking of college & a career, finding shunned friends, finding new friends, positivity, weight loss, waking up looking forward to each day, share my beliefs how I see fit, living & enjoying the present, any movie I want, whatever music I want, weeding out negative people from my life, true Christianity & spirituality, giving my children a chance to pursue their dreams,HAPPINESS...
Outside World Cons: Watchtower still exists
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Continuing to draw the line between cults and DESTRUCTIVE cults
by sabastious inthe easiest place to start understanding a spectral concept, such as cults, is to indentify it's lowest and highest points rather than starting somewhere in the middle.. so lets call the lowest point of the cult spectrum benign and the highest point destructive.. a good example of an extremely benign cult would be the following of the not so popular 80s movie: the princess bride of which i consider myself a member (no documentation .
if you were to come up to me and claim to be part of the princess bride's cult following i could figure out whether you are a true member by asking you a few questions.
based on your answers i could then conclude that you either meet the criteria or that you do not.
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discreetslave
Seeing them as a cult helps cut the strings attached that lead many to go back to the Watchtower.
As for the Princess Bride Vizzini should be on the governing body
Fezzik: I just don't think it's right, killing an innocent girl.
Vizzini: Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic land mass. -
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VERY depressed
by youngbro ini have severe clinical depression and right now, for whatever reason it is really acting up....
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discreetslave
Amen to that New Chapter. You need to get out youngbro I 've been thru the darkside with this religion I almost didn't make it. Don't put yourself thru the misery. Get out live your life. The sun shines brighter when your free from the Botchtower.
It sounds like you still want to be a Christian. JW's are not real Christians. You can worship God in spirit & truth without an organized religion.
Here is a song that I find comforting
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Songs that express feelings towards Watchtower
by discreetslave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjffzqtlwrq&nr=1.
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discreetslave
A song for Christian Watchtower Survivors
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Songs that express feelings towards Watchtower
by discreetslave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjffzqtlwrq&nr=1.
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discreetslave
Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses.
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New Light For the Anointed Rev 2:17
by discreetslave in(revelation 2:17) let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations: to him that conquers i will give some of the hidden manna, and i will give him a white pebble, and upon the pebble a new name written which no one knows except the one receiving it.. at this time god's has decided to reveal the name to the slave.. the name on the pebble will be lithium since the anointed are to be the salt of the earth.
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