Wow...so many haters. Why? Lamallcool...if you are on this forum then you bought into BS for many many years and that is why you are here? So, leave Rick alone and let him do this thing. I find the show entertaining....DON'T LISTEN DUDE? No one makes you. Why do you even care so much? Do you think this forum is the be-all end-all for ex-JWs? I just don't get the constant attack? You seem to have a mission? We should only listen to you I guess because you are doing so much for ex-JWs? What, do you run a clinic somewhere? Get off your high horse and relax.
Posts by red21
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21Reportedly 200 disfellowshipped and 200 publicly reproved !
by koolaid-man inin 1981 or 82 district overseer frank bartell in his last talk at a circuit assembly said that there was a terrible situation in cleveland ohio the previous year (1980).
there were 200 disfellowshipped and 200 publicly reproved.
witnesses there were making pornographic movies with each other.
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If some kids got molested, the parents should have told the police, it wasnt the watchtower's fault....
by Joliette inaint that about a bitch!!!
when my brother said this to me the other day, i tried my hardest to try to explain why the watchtower's polices on sexaul abuse and molestation in the past, and he said that it was the parents fault (not the watchtowers fault) that these children got molested, and that its the parents job to protect the children.
i tried to tell his thick headed, simple minded self that back in the day parents were threated with disfellowshippment and dissassociation if they reported this to the police.
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red21
Wonder how that could have helped when my wife's mother, a single mother of 3 had two of her girls molested by a man in the congregation and the elders "handled it". Back then, you were NEVER to go to the authorities because you had a fear in you to present a "bad witness" and bring disgrace on Jehovah when the disgrace were on MEN to begin with that would allow pervs to operate in the congregation!!!!
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Why Did Ray Franz Still Go On Field Service?
by BroMac inin his book he says he still went out on field service.. why would he do that?
i'm finding it so hard to go out, i only take my bible.. .
bromac.
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red21
Recently, a long time bethel member visiting was told of somethings I said regarding Ray Franz. It was interesting that nothing they said refuted what was said but rather they perferred to call him and his wfie arrogant people. So, instead of reason or logic, they reverted to name calling. From what I have heard, a fair number of the higher-ups at bethel have been considered very arrogant people. Rutherford, Knorr, and others have ruled with an iron fist and had no personality from what I have read. Does anyone know Franz personally? I find it hard to believe by the way his books were written?
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Letter to FB JWs after I found out I was DF'd
by Momma-Tossed-Me inso i said that i would post this letter that i sent out to fb jws who were still my friends on fb at the time.. a little background might be in order here.
i was called to meet with two elders in the hall because i had filed to run for political office.
i knew that sooner or later i would have to agree to do so.
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red21
I like the WT article that said it was ok to vote or vote your conscience in lands where it was required. So, for some it is "ok" but not for others? I found that hypocritcal myself. I voted today in the primary...sure hope Mr. Paul wins!!!!
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A quick question
by Voices ini had this dream... and in the dream it had some guy talking about tilling the ground.
what the hell is that machine thing called that back in the day use to 'till the ground?
' ...that the cow use to pull while the man was on the back of it?
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red21
I think horses and ox's pulled ploughs but I guess an ox is a sort of cow! However, your dream of the plough means there will be 7 years of plenty, 7 years of hard work, 7 years of harvest. The man on the plough is the great shepard. You are the oxen pulling the plough and the great shepard was beating you to pull harder which means your life will be miserable even though there will be plenty. At the end of the seven years, you will die and be replaced by another publisher...because they have SOOOOO many to spare!!!!
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red21
Entire congregations in MA were disbanded or had all the elders removed. This is 30 years ago. Any more current letters?
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What's The Latest In The World Of Watchtower?
by minimus ini haven't been on as much here, lately.. is there anything new??
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red21
Onthewayout...why don't you go grind your axe somewhere else and ignore Rick else you seem to be infatuated with him????
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Received a very heart felt phone call tonite over the Df Watchtower article
by troubled mind intonight one of my sons called me just to say ," mom i love you !
" .. he told me that this weekend he had read a thread posted by kyria about the new watchtower on shunning df'd relatives ,and that it had really made him sad .
he said, " mom, i am so glad we are all out of the jehovah's witnesses ....i just don't think i could of stood it to think you guys not talking to me ...it really upsets me .
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red21
Good to hear! When my daughter was DF'd and even though we were active, she had moved away from the area. I told her all I wanted was for her to be happy in whoever she was. I never cut her off ever. Never felt that was right. Seen too many that were hyprocritical about claiming to cut family off but not really when other witnesses were not around they were worried about!!!!! I see a DF'd person that I know in the store and I walk right up to them now and say hello and tell them how much I love them and love them more than I did before!!!!!
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GB is out of touch with reality! Why? (Ray Franz observation)
by 00DAD inin his book, in search of christian freedom, ray franz make the point about his uncle fred that he lived a detached, cloistered, isolated existence.
he was separated and far-removed from the day-to-day issues of ordinary people.
like him, i suspect that many or even most of the wt leaders fall into that category.
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red21
Using the full name and initial is consider the formal way to write names such as in APA rules for formal papers. So, this is not a big deal as near as I can say. Right hundreds of papers for your Master's degree and you might do so as well.
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Just tired of the label "Apostate".
by rjl15225 inbare with me on this post.
i just need to get it off my chest!.
i find it interesting that in so many threads here in this forum and in others, to find the reference to apostates.
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red21
Those that have no logical argument, do name calling. When my sister mentioned to someone about Ray Franz, their first words was that Franz was a haughty man. But, they didn't dispute what he said they just deflected because they HAD no argument or wouldn't even try. The problem is that once they label you as an apostate there is no way to ever win with them unless they are willing to step outside the box and stop drinking the koolaid without ever asking what its made of!!!!!!!!!!!!