Posts by braincleaned

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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.

i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.

introduction.

braincleaned

// According to the apostle John that's exactly what you are, considering what you've believed before. You might as well come to terms with that notion, nothing esoteric or apocalyptic about it.//

I agree. Even a bit satisfied to be honest! :D

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Non-Catholic church refuses to shelter super typhoon victims

by ohnightdivine in

another mega-church in the philippines, the iglesia ni christo is drawing criticisms due to their alleged refusal to provide shelter to the people knocking on their gates during the typhoon.

http://philnews.ph/2013/11/11/iglesia-ni-cristo-church-iloilo-refused-shelter-typhoon-yolanda-victims/.

now, what do you think would wts do in this situation?

braincleaned

You all know the contempt I have for the WTS — but this post is unfair.
On 9/11, all bethel was inviting and helping anyone needing help.

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TED Talk: Coming Out of Your Closet

by adamah in

although the speaker is referring to coming out of the closet as gay, here's a good reminder for those fading, as the dynamic is the same (and a point she makes in the video about not comparing the difficulty to others).. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksr4xuu07sc.

adam.

braincleaned

Beautiful... and yes, very similar to being in the closet as a JW. I totally relate.

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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.

i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.

introduction.

braincleaned

Huh... according to your article, I am an antichrist, since I deny him being more than a normal man — not even sure he really existed.
Oh well...

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Do you give thanks for every meal?

by bruh in

do you give thanks for every meal or do you thank god once for the whole day of meals???

is thanking god for every meal scriptural or something that came along in early christianity ?

?.

braincleaned

I don't pray before meals... I just burp at the end of them. ;)

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Knowledge by Proxy

by braincleaned in

whatever our convictions are, we all have one thing in common; we have learned them from other sources.. we have knowledge by proxy... we didn't find things out all by ourselves.

we let trusted sources talk for us.. belief is not something that you choose.

but if there is no elephant, i do not "choose" to believe it isn't there either.

braincleaned

Tammy, may I point out that you do have a very personal answer for every point.
I personally read them as rationalizations that you back up with the unprovable claim that Christ speaks directly to you.

You must understand that I cannot have a reasonable exchange with you if you are just stating things in perfect contradiction with scripture.
Fact is, you do not have this special insight form God. If you did, HE would gve you arguments that hold some weight.

I do understand that you believe you do — but nothing you have argrued is rooted in reason and logic.
What I mean is that I do not doubt you sincerity. You are a kind-hearted debater, and you do stick to your guns while staying polite.
For that, I admire you.
What I have a problem with is your brand of evidence; only confirmable by you.

This does not hold in the Court of Universal Reason.
* or any other court for that reason...

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Knowledge by Proxy

by braincleaned in

whatever our convictions are, we all have one thing in common; we have learned them from other sources.. we have knowledge by proxy... we didn't find things out all by ourselves.

we let trusted sources talk for us.. belief is not something that you choose.

but if there is no elephant, i do not "choose" to believe it isn't there either.

braincleaned

Tec, in tune with what zound said above, you are saying that Christ does not know how to use words — for clarity, he should have used the word Truth — which would have been stronger and less confusing.

What you are asking everybody, is to trust that the Lord gave YOU a better understanding of his intent. Do you see the problem?

I will stick with what HE said rather what than one individual says he meant... I hope you understand.

He has the last word. And history proved him right about his choice of words.

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Just wondering....

by ctrwtf in

jw
friends

not really up on the latest from the org.

but it seems that most of what's surfacing has to do with "generations" and the "faithful slave.".

whatever happened to the un?

braincleaned

Oh trust me. they can change it! They already got the bobble-heads that follow them believing that "new Light" is all you need.
Then, you erase from your memory anything said before.

Ohhh trust me! When needed, they will most certainly put a plug in THAT orifice!!!!

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Knowledge by Proxy

by braincleaned in

whatever our convictions are, we all have one thing in common; we have learned them from other sources.. we have knowledge by proxy... we didn't find things out all by ourselves.

we let trusted sources talk for us.. belief is not something that you choose.

but if there is no elephant, i do not "choose" to believe it isn't there either.

braincleaned

Personal interpretation my friend — he said that in the context that he was not there to bring peace, and gave a list of how deep that unrest would be (family).
*If the sword here was Truth, he would have said that he didn't come to bring LIES instead of using the word "peace"...

In context he states "(21) Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. (22) You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. (23) When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."

He added that HE has come to turn “a man against his father, a daughter against her mother...etc...
Nowhere does he hint that the sword is a symbol of truth in THIS context.

Of course, I await your references to this. The cross references point to a destructive sword, as repeated in Revelation 6:4, "Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword." (Horsemen...)

HOWEVER, ALL of this said, the truth is that he DID bring a physical sword, in that people throughout history HAVE poured blood because of him. Hate and war has been the brand for and against christians accross the ages.

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jw.org store in Rouen, France

by breakfast of champions in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcvnhohno4.

naaaahh.

we're not a business.

braincleaned

LOL! Just saw this! Exactly what Jesus had in mind, I'm sure....... not!