the april 1, 1986, watchtower, questions from readers is still the basis upon which jehovah's witnesses see fit to act against so-called apostates.
it is, however, completely shot through with discrepancies and weak arguments.
all of these can be used to build a solid defence.
| Page 344 states, “As to just how the “faithful and discreet slave” class existed and served down through the centuries after the death of the apostles of the Master Jesus Christ, we do not have a distinct historical picture. Apparently one generation of the “slave” class fed the next succeeding generation thereof.” And yet, as previously noted, C.T. Russell studied independently. He was not fed by the preceding generation of FDS. |
good point
i've just been catching up on some of the posts that people made about this case and i am appalled at the blatant racism demonstrated by certain individuals.. yes, you are entitlted to your opinion ... but at some point your opinion needs to be kept locked inside your ignorant biggoted empty skull and not come out of your stupid fat mouth.
it especially shouldn't be posted on my forum.. such racism will not be tollerated here.. i also would like to publicly apologise to outlaw for not being on top of this earlier and making sure that he wasn't lumped in with these despicable people for simply pointing out how out-of-line their behavior was.
sorry my friend - you did not deserve that and i understand completely why you have had a break from the site..
hey mrs jones - good to see you back.
alltimeJeff
he is one of my favorite posters, i look him up from time to time.
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lol az
Outlaw was headhunted as the newest member of the Governing Body to head up the new 16 page Comic edition of the Washtowel monthly! |
I want to see a full frontal spread on the cover of the first edition
he is one of my favorite posters, i look him up from time to time.
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I had noticed that outlaw and mrs jones were MIA. both always give me a reality check and they will be sorely missed if they have left.
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
heye thanks for correcting me Rory. you are right. Franz believed in the divinity of christ and had many discussions with a trinitarian member of his group. He was open to mixing in company with trinitarians. I somehow conflated the two because I read the book a long time ago. And for me personally whether or not a person believes or doesn't believe in the trinity is immaterial. the thing that I like about leavers is when they engage with the fullness of all that they were denied through totalising belief systems.
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
I have read IN search of Chrisitan Freedom but don't have it to hand. Ray did believe in the trinity and was open to discussion about it with other trinitarians if I remember correctly.
this is an excellent way of putting it rory-ks - the fullness of God. I like the expression fullness and what it evokes
Actually, the trinity is an interesting subject. It could be argued that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the trinity. The trinity is just man's clumsy way of trying to explain that in order to experience the fullness of God, one needs the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is impossible to explain the holy spirit without mentioning God. They are inseparable - one and the same, even. Christ is Jehovah's means of salvation. Don't even bother thinking about salvation if you don't accept the Christ, the Son of God. So, there you have it: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - the three necessary in the one faith. |
Indded the JW hieararchy don't like fullness of any kind and stamp it out wherever they see it. this is the reason they miss the fullness of Christ. I'm so glad you took the steps you did to get out.
edt: Jw thinking is very much a product of the enlightenment and the emphasis on TRUTH as a system of belief. this to me is opposed to the fullness that Christ intuited and taught and that is eternal
i know that the assembly is supposed to get the folks all excited about how close we are to the 'end of this system of things' but when my wife attends a memorial, she says nothing at all after it, even though this is supposed to be the most important night of the year for them..
the whole thing is very negative and I think JWs are subconsciously aware of the negativity
i completely did not know the date of the memorial this year.
just happened across a post on fb in which it was mentioned a few minutes ago.. this is a good thing - probably the first time in 50 years i did not know the day/time of the memorial celebration of jehovah's witnesses.
i did know that today is good friday and that easter is sunday.
not much pre memorial activity here either
well, i went along to the memorial with mrs cedars.
it was my first since my "awakening" just less than a year ago.
apparently i made a lot of people happy by being there (even if it was only building up false hopes), the most important of which were my family.
I missed the memorial but remember thinking, whilst planting my pansies and palm trees (special offer at local supermarket), that I only had half an hour left to shower and get dressed. then I though how meaningless the memorial celebration is compared to what I was doing (as I still had to water my plants) so I decided not to go. My daugther is ill so I do have an excuse but mind you we were expected to attend anyway.
the palm trees are magnificent and I was wondering if the supermarket chain had come out in support of palm sunday. If so then the offer was too good to miss
disappointingly the same number attended as last year
we will be arriving fashionably late, wearing lots of bling - and then we will be enjoying all the after attention that is given to those who don't attend meetings regularly.
