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  UN effect?

  by radar in

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  according to watchtower theology, when a person is difellowshipped he as been cast outside the kingdom to suffer the second death, eternal destruction.. one would hope then, that with such a prospect, congregations would be very carefull, in passing judgements in that direction.. yet, the watchtower actually boasts about its great ability to expell thousands of witnesses each year, by publishing the figures in their magazines, as a sort of warning to others.. the watchtower must be the only organization in the world that i know of, that expells tens of thousands of its faithfull adherents each year.. many loyal witnesses have been expelled from their organization, simply over things like blood, neutrality issues or simply raising questions about watchtower doctrine.. i expect the un issue, will be the next cause for further disfellowshipping action.. .

  walking across a bridge one day, a jw saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off.

  he immediately ran over and said "stop!

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  i think the original emo philips skit is far funnier than this. this version doesnt work at all.

  http://cmgm.stanford.edu/~lkozar/EmoPhillips.html

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  jW new campain target, Muslims

  by nowaytess in

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  just got the new email alert on new watchtwoer literature campain:.

  wts rushes out more literature: a regional victoria-based writer on wol notes 3 new tracts specifically designed for muslims have been written: "the greatest name, who are jehovah's witnesses, and hellfire -- is it part of divine justice?

  many jws are also now ordering the 2002 yearbook.

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  Moxy

  wow, this thread went nowhere fast.

  please watch your editorializing tho tess. there are several publications specifically directed at muslims, as well as buddhists, hindus, and jews. muslims are not a new campaign target. and if you understood what peak-to-peak growth was, and looked at the other numbers posted, youd see that the actual growth is actually higher, about 1.7%.
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  Who fulfills Matt: 24:14

  by Parliament in

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  in the past, i have wondered who fulfills matt 24:14. i know that jw's are really the only ones who do preach from door to door.

  that scripture will is burned in my head forever from my parents making me remembering it when i would door knock.

  i haven't been to a hall for almost 20 years, except for the year my mother was dying and asked if i would come to the memorial.

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  Moxy

  i might point out that WT interpretation of certain parables involve the nominal christian churches. in particular, the 'dragnet' that pulls in all the fishes is applied to the christian churches throughout the centuries that have spread the bible and helped make 'rice christians.' of course, they are not teaching truth, but they are helping lay the groundwork for the real truth when it arrives.

  so while they claim to be alone in fulfilling Mt 24:14, that does not mean that they don't think anyone else helped them.

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  The Secret Journey of the Three Hebrews :-)

  by GermanXJW in

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  i just received my watchtower of december 15th, 2001. .

  qfr is "how can a christian wife balance loyalty to god with submission to her unbelieving husband if he shares in religious holiday activities?".

  [btw, the german edition does not say "unbelieving" but "who is not a jw].

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  i dont get it. is there something new here? im not sure if the part about dura is implying that the hebrews didnt go to dura or just that they did go but might have prefered not to. WT illustrations always show them at dura altho the text doesnt specify. anyways i dont see what you're all upset about.

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  Greek Texts

  by realcourchesne in

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  do you know that hundreds of times in their bible, (the new world translation), the watch tower bible and tract society incorrectly translated the greek synonym for (lord) to the name jehovah and hundreds of other times (because it would have contradicted their teachings) they correctly translated the exact same greek synonym to the name lord.. see presentation att: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/translat.html

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  Moxy

  wow, what a shocking exposé. my god. you really got them there. [heavy sarcasm]

  you've gone to all that trouble to point out something they already took great pains to explain themselves in the forward, appendix and footnotes.

  idiot.

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  Why the Dinosaur in the Green NWT Bible?

  by VM44 in

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  inside the front cover of the green new world translation.

  bibles is a map, and in the map is a drawing of a dinosaur.. does anyone know why the dinosaur is there?.

  this is something i have actually wondered about for years.. perhaps someone here might know the answer.. --vm44

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  anyone remember this? from enjoy life (1982)

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  divining rods work

  by zerubberballz in

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  it's a funny ol' world.

  a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.

  so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).

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  i think even the test you propose joseph has room for tainted results if the instructions are given vocally. in any situation when i hear stuff like this i just say, 'remember clever hans.' and if you dont know who clever hans is, you probably shouldnt be drawing any conclusions about these types of experiences at all.

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  Assemby Halls for Profit?

  by Jim Dee in

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  i've just come back from the weekend snooze (know to others as the circuit assembly hall in bristol).. the local congregations paid a fortune for the assembly hall to be built.

  it was a major build with purchase of land and construction costing a fortune - and paid for by voluntary donations.

  however our po has informed me that the circuit was charged 4,300 for the weekend assembly!

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  Her reply was that the money then gets transfered to other countries that can't afford halls, so they can have a nice place to worship too.

  i think thats even worse if it were true. if the idea is to spread the wealth, then shouldnt they say that plainly so that everyone has the opportunity to express a giving attitude for these less fortunate brothers. Do they have so little confidence in the generosity of the well off brothers that they have to 'charge' them a set dollar amount per publisher to ostensibly cover nonexistent assembly hall expenses?
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  Dead Sea Scrolls published Jesus not There

  by Satanus in

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  the prep and publishing of the dead sea scrolls is finally finishing.

  they date from 250 bc to 70 ce.

  out of a total of 52 volumes, jesus christ is not mentioned even once.. _________.

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  Moxy

  i received this news item on a JW mailing list too and was rather surprised by tov's statement:

  "Don't forget that all the scrolls written prior to the year zero could not have mentioned him,'' Tov said. ``So you are left only with the scrolls from zero to around 70. Then don't forget the New Testament itself was not written in the year zero or the year one, or two but the first writings were in the middle of the first century so it wasn't yet written up."

  besides stating the blindingly obvious, which is understandable for a statement to the press, he appears to imply jesus was born in year zero, which is both nonexistent and off by several years.

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  It was written and transmitted by people who had nothing to gain by "inventing" a myth of Jesus, but who had much to lose.

  oh, please.

  mox
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  Does God Really Want to Save Everyone?"

  by JosephAlward in

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  a striking difference of opinion about gods attitude seems to have existed between the author of 1 timothy and the author of 2 thessalonians.

  one thinks that god wants all men to be saved, but the other speaks of god deliberately deluding people in order to condemn them.

  both pictures of god cannot be true, so there is a clear contradiction.

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  Moxy

  i asked this question as an aside in another thread and bring it up again:

  WT exegesis of both NT and OT makes frequent use of a kind of causative vs passive argument, ie in a situation like this where god deludes(active voice) someone, it really means allows to be deluded (passive voice.) while this raises deeper questions like, can a ultimate First Cause really be spoken of as doing anything in the passive sense, ill limit my question to one of textual exegesis. being relatively unfamiliar with exegetical works outside the WT, id like to know if this is a very common line of reasoning and whether its simply a matter of ad hoc justification or whether it has any basis in greek or hebrew literary analysis.
  thx
  mox