Posts by Tralfamadorian

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My Dark Moon Rant Song

by Tralfamadorian in

yeeeup!

it's new moon again.

that time when i get all angry and dark, full of vengeful thoughts, poisonous resentment.

Tralfamadorian

Yeeeup! It's new moon again. That time when I get all angry and dark, full of vengeful thoughts, poisonous resentment. Impotent rage..in short. lulz.

Hokay, here's the drama theme music for my day. Dedicated to WTBTS, GB, and all the people [including family members] who shunned and otherwise disenfranchised me from their lovely establishment.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/BPKd__Tfb90" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just in case I got the coding wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKd__Tfb90

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How long into the future do you feel it will take before the majority of mankind give up on "God" to solve their problems?

by StoneWall in

jw
friends

i mean the above question out of sincerity and honesty and not trying to belittle anyones beliefs or lack there of.. my point is if armageddon don't happen or the rapture within the next 1000 years or so, how long will man keep holding out hope for a divine being, whether it be jesus, jehovah, allah or "fill in the blank" to come and solve all the problems?.

do you feel that there is a timetable of any sort?.

if god hasn't manifested himself/herself/itself in say 5000 years from now to all mankind, do you think the majority at that time will still be clinging to a belief in a higher power if nothing at all has changed as far as their "appearing,coming, calling us to them etc."?.

Tralfamadorian

@Adso: roflmao!! That sounds about as likely as anything else i guess. I suppose they'll also be 'decrypting' our currunt usage of internet acronyms like LOL, roflmao, and trying to decipher the inconology of things like :) :( :P ^__^ amongst others. Who knows? Councils may gather and debate the possible reliligiosity of these symbols and make a religion based on their conclusions! xD indeed.

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Hmmmm....interesting.

by Tralfamadorian in

does anyone else see the implied jesus reference in this video?

[metallica, the unforgiven].

2:20 minutes in, up to about 3:00 minutes.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myumpkfyd6g.

Tralfamadorian

as in you can't understand what they're singing because it's mostly screaming or you can't understand the meaning of the lyrics? xD

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How long into the future do you feel it will take before the majority of mankind give up on "God" to solve their problems?

by StoneWall in

jw
friends

i mean the above question out of sincerity and honesty and not trying to belittle anyones beliefs or lack there of.. my point is if armageddon don't happen or the rapture within the next 1000 years or so, how long will man keep holding out hope for a divine being, whether it be jesus, jehovah, allah or "fill in the blank" to come and solve all the problems?.

do you feel that there is a timetable of any sort?.

if god hasn't manifested himself/herself/itself in say 5000 years from now to all mankind, do you think the majority at that time will still be clinging to a belief in a higher power if nothing at all has changed as far as their "appearing,coming, calling us to them etc."?.

Tralfamadorian

It's highly possible that we, as a species, may not survive that long. Many species have perished and human beings are no more relavent than any other thing in existence just because we possess reason and logic. Especially considering that we apply our reason and logic in decidedly unreasonable and illogical ways.

If it doesn't come to that, it will depend upon the mass waking up and smelling the coffee and actually learning from history. It's not great people like our leaders who need to learn from history, it's the mass of people who need to learn that it's the minority of extremely wealthy and powerful who create false systems like a money-backed-by-nothing economy and their butt buddy, religion who fills the role of extending 'hope' to obtain willing co-operation from the very mass of humanity whos vital energy they rob to sustain their extravagance.

People need to learn that you're born, you live, you die. Do right because it's right without basing those actions on something they hope the unknown will be.

At this point in my life I don't really care. Either way is fine. Let mankind die off the earth and make way for the animals to have their chance at 'humanity.' We've botched it royally. Surely the planet would breathe a sigh of relief if we were gone. We are irrelevant to the survival of all other species. We wont be missed.

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Hmmmm....interesting.

by Tralfamadorian in

does anyone else see the implied jesus reference in this video?

[metallica, the unforgiven].

2:20 minutes in, up to about 3:00 minutes.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myumpkfyd6g.

Tralfamadorian

Does anyone else see the implied Jesus reference in this video? [Metallica, The Unforgiven]

2:20 minutes in, up to about 3:00 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUMPKFYd6g

p.s. I.....hate....this board format. >:-(

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The Most Hateful Christian Group on Earth Today?

by sizemik in

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friends

i'm very hesitant about starting this thread .

because i don't want to judge anyone or inspire hatred myself.

also, i believe i'm past the anger/bitterness thing well and truly.. so i'm asking this question not out of emotion .

Tralfamadorian

Actually, I'd have to go with the Westboro Baptist Church. Of course they're not an organized religion in the sense that the Witnesses, Catholic and Mormons are. Historically, I'd have to say the Catholics have been the most hateful, if not in doctrine, then in practice over the past 2 milleniums.

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Sorry about this absolutley CRAZY insight to my mind.

by dm6 in

hello everybody.. even thinking about typing this thread as i lay here in bed at 11.30 at night, is hard enough, but i found some sort of motivation to do it.. i dont expect a massive response really, i guess all i really want to do is empty my mind out and stop things whirring over and over.. i am worried for my brother (younger brother he is 23) he is in guernsey channel islands (uk) and is in and out of intensive care drugs etc an there are a thousand more strings attached.

(drugdealers after him, homeless, jobless, about to go to prsion long story).

its a worry for me as his older brother.

Tralfamadorian

perhaps i THINK TOO MUCH!

You hit the nail right on the head there.

This is probably why you have such a difficult time not abusing your Valium. Sometimes I toss and turn all night. Getting up, checking my farmville game on FB, trying to sleep again, getting up and playing Harvest Moon, trying to sleep again. Anything to shut my mind the hell up. I bet you have very deep philosophical conversations with yourself, don't you? "Blah, blah, blah..blarbity..what then? What then?" Am I close to the mark? And other nights you have to get up because you're very excited and enthused about something your mind was wheeling on about.

If I'm correct in my guess, you probably think around corners so fast that you bump right back into yourself rounding the last corner! And getting caught up in cyclic thoughts, spinning your gears till you blow a head gasket. And then flump! You crash and feel like there's no solution to anything, everything's pointless and nothing matters.

I've been to the nut hut 10 times since the age of 19 for suicidal ideations.

I also hear you on the not dating bit too. I haven't had anything like real sex in 7 years. My ex stopped having sex with me before we split up for a year due to his own hangups. I had a brief affair, then we moved up north here in PA, USA. Five years of separation and one year of being divorced and I still can't be bothered with the annoyance of dating even though I'm lonely for companionship and touch starved for hugs, cuddling and sex. Mostly on account of still being hung up on my ex, who would gladly have what amounts to a sexless, live apart relationship. He is my best friend now that we've been separated and divorced.

I cant relate to the cutting. I tried it one time and that only to see what the fuss was all about. I'm way too much of a wuss. Don't berate yourself for cutting, but do try to seek help for it.

You sound to me as though you may have Borderline Personality Disorder and perhaps manic depressive as well. Double whammy.

I wish I could tell you how to properly use your Valium, but I've never had a problem taking my xanax as prescribed. You probably need to not be taking them, since you have relief for five days and then suffer the rest of the month. I was that way with pain killers.

Here's a song I bet you'd like and be able to relate to. It's kind of depressing, but I love to listen to it when I feel down on myself. Probably doesn't help me much, but it's music. *shrugs*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_eOmvM-4zc&ob=av2e

And having listened to that, here's something absolutely stunning and beautiful to bring you up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WhWDCw3Mng

Message me privately if you need someone to talk to. :)

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Are they really that weak willed?

by jean-luc picard in

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mr falcons thread on jw partys made me think about my new family's get togethers.. once or twice a year, we have a get together/picnic ( around 40 or 50 mostly family ).. we drink quite a bit of wine/ pernod ( our wives or 'sometimes husbands) drive home ).

i have never heard crude talk.

people sware a bit, but in an amusing kind of way.

Tralfamadorian

I wouldn't say that the Witnesses are feeble minded, but more fear driven. Fear of dying, fear of being DF'd. Well, just about afraid of everything, really. Especially those who were born into it as I was. A child in their formative years is extremely vulnerable to being 'hard-wired' into reacting according to WT demands. It has been decades of strenuous mental, emotional and spiritual struggling to free my mind from their way of thinking.

If people put down their Watchtowers and just read the bible, they'd see things a lot more clearly. Take for example the scriptures about circumcision and eating food sacrificed to idols. It was clearly stated not to inquire about food sacrificed to idols. But if the person tells you it's a food sacrificed to idols, you abstain. Not for your conscience, but for theirs. The obvious thing that stand out here is that a believer is eating a meal with an unbeliever. OH MY! The second thing strongly applied is that your actions are based on freedom from 'the law.' Doesn't the bible in the greek scriptures say that Christians establish law? How? By doing what their conscience dictates based upon common sense, decency and not stumbling others. In other words, if listening to heavy metal, rap or other music the Watchtower condemns offends your visitor, don't listen to it at that time. I think Jesus' words love your neighbor as yourself means just be yourself, do what you want as long as you don't violate your concience or others' consciences. How else can it be 'The glorious freedom of the sons of God'?

God wont condemn you, Jesus wont condemn you. Only your conscience can condemn you. If you have the "law written in your heart," you will automatically behave decently and have the freedom to do as you please. I'm very fond of the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as you will" I also strongly believe in the Thelamite law: "Do as you will shall be the whole of the law" -Alastair Crowley

And there I go, wandering off topic like the manic depressive I am.

I'll shut up now. =)

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What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Watchtower Society?

by MrDarkKnight in

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friends

in a number of different threads comments have been made about the motives of the gb and the wtbts.

it made me think, what is their ultimate goal?

what is their end game?.

Tralfamadorian

I lived at HQ and have seen how the upper echelon of the WTBS lives. Besides free room and board and traveling nothing about their lifestyle screams "I am enjoying the high life". Its certainly not how I would spend millions if I had direct access to them.

So what do you think or know? What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Watchtower Society?

That's a real philosophical can of worms there. From what I've observed from studying secular history and a bit of religious history it seems as though the goal is like most other things in this world: To not end.

The WTBTS is a corporate entity. Intellectual Trust (publishers of LDS literature) is a corporate entity. What all this may imply I can only speculate on and cannot be proven by empirical means that I'm aware of. "A central concept in modern science and the scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by thesenses."Wikipedia

Throughout history, empires have risen and fallen. It seems as though natural law itself dictates that nothing in this place, this plane of existence can 'live forever.' Egypt had it's time, Babylon, later Greece and Rome. You may note a similar running theme in all these empires: Once they reach the pinnacle of their power, they fall into decadence.

dec·a·dence

/ 'd?k?d?ns , d?'ke?dns / Show Spelled [ dek - uh -d uh ns , dih- keyd -ns ] Show IPA –noun 1. the act or process of falling into an inferior condition or state; deterioration; decay: Some historians hold that the fall of Rome can be attributed to internal decadence. 2. moral degeneration or decay; turpitude. 3. unrestrained or excessive self-indulgence. They key word here is decay. Like everything else in this plane of existence, it is subject to the ravages of time. Even corporate entities. So the end game, in my opinion, is to not end at all, as is true with any business, government or religion that uses ruthless means to obtain and keep control over the mass and to dominate the markets in commerce, government and religious beliefs. It will be noticed that to some extent, the WTBTS has symptoms of all three of these definitions: falling into an inferior state, deterioration. Moral degeneration (i.e. allowing pedophiles to run rampant, etc...) Unrestrained and excessive self-indulgence. I say this in the sense that they excessively indulge themselves in exericsing unreasonable control and power over the congregations at a level they never have before in their relatively brief existence so far. This is only my perspective on the matter. It would be interesting to hear other ideas. Thanks for bringing the topic up.

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The JWs are imperfect, so what?

by Rocky_Girl in

this is a common reply to any evidence given about false doctrines taught by the witnesses.. we all know that every religion has its faults and scandals.

so why do we tolerate these imperfections in those faiths and not in the witnesses?.

my answer: because other faiths admit that they are basing their doctrines on faith alone or tradition.

Tralfamadorian

Assuming God did choose the Israelites as his own peculiar people, look what happened by the time Jesus made the scene. According to the witnesses Abraham knew in advance that the Israelites were chosen as the line through which Jesus would come and that it was only temporary. By the time Jesus was born, the Israelite nations were no longer his chosen people, but the spiritual Israelites were.

In any case, most of the beliefs I've studied, show the Old Testament God, "Old Nobodaddy" to be very capricious, vindictive and vengeful. Sorry, I don't buy that he was Jesus' dad.

As an aside, is it only me or are there any of you who also feel a sort of animosity toward Jehovah or the Father but still love Jesus?

I mean think of it: God=Love, Jehovah's name is JEALOUS but love is NOT jealous. So...yeah. Get where I'm going with this?

Sanctify Yourself

In the Image of God, suddenly we were there.
The construct of his tossing and turning,
Upon his couching of words.
Things which could go wrong,
How we'd feel when we stirred.
There were two trees in the middle of the garden
But which was which? who can say?
And what was there to hide anyhow?
And where did this palooza start,
If not in God's own image?
And a devil is but a lurking doubt,
A siren from the other side.
Slithering words from what origin?
Is this all prefab? What is there to prove?
If God is Love, but his name is JEALOUS,
And Love is NOT Jealous,
Who hides behind the curtain, pushing buttons
And turning knobs?
If not ourselves, the Silent Witness whispers,
Sanctify yourselves, and be made holy.