Posts by trailerfitter

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Keeping secrets "please don't tell your father". Now this is war!!

by trailerfitter in

what detriment is there of religious study for children?

children learn religions at school and hopefully here in the uk they are taught a balanced unbias view on all religious beliefs pacticed in the world leading to a more harmonious and less separate world.. it should be safe to assume that the jw teachings wouldn't be any different...open and honest.

(okay no need to spit your coffee out onto the monitor screen in surprise!!).

trailerfitter

What detriment is there of religious study for children? Nothing. Children learn religions at school and hopefully here in the UK they are taught a balanced unbias view on all religious beliefs pacticed in the world leading to a more harmonious and less separate world.

It should be safe to assume that the JW teachings wouldn't be any different...open and honest. wouldn't they? (okay no need to spit your coffee out onto the monitor screen in surprise!!)

My JW partner and I are seperated and I get my son to come and stay with me regularly. He is an honest and a bright lad. Yesterday I had to enquire about Jesus and what his mother had taught him,..Yes it is worth having a watchful eye over these matters especially over a statement he came out with earlier this year "When Jesus comes back he is going to kill you". He sheepishly admitted that his mother warned him not to tell me what he had been learning. Not the first time I must add . She has this thing about even having guests over who are JWs. It becomes a secret. Doesn't take a genius to work out when she is holding back over child care arrangements to work out what is going on.

I know why because I am an atheist that my thinking is be dangerous to his "indoctrination". However it is not only shameful for her to do this, but it also could lead onto something far more damaging. Yes i am talking about the child molestation policies of the WT.

Getting back to the plot however, secrets are definitly a warfare tactic therefore I am at war with my wife, her teachings and the WT? That means they declaired war on me?. Like Hitler marching in to Poland its' the same thing. Move in, dominate and exploit. They did that with a member of my family.

So WT teaching are so shakey that they could be ripped apart from a person not interested in religious affairs? A knowledge of hstory will blow apart any JW statement " things are getting worse" if the person is not obsessed over the biblical end of the world rediculousness. but children are not logical thinkers at 7 years old. They feel. Certainly a child who has 2 different views could easily see the flaws and become able to make decisions on his own if he is taught to do so. BUT this could well be damaging to him because this issue is between two shaping parents. The WT won't leave it be and are determined to drag me into this, neither do i have the time nor the inclination to read their rubbish or read the bible but this indoctrination needs to be combatted.

Is there a specific resourse they use to teach children? I need to get hold of this to know what is being burried into his mind.

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Sept. 15th WT - WT Society Hypocritically Disses " Materialistic " JW's

by flipper in

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as many of us are aware the wt society has done quite nicely in a material way for themselves.

the sales of properties of the former " bethel " in brooklyn amassed them millions of more $$$$ .

they have relocated into upstate new york and are building like wildmen.

trailerfitter

Would the WT allow a memeber to do overtime to ensure that he or she can provide for the family? WT doctrine is no different from any other church. RC church who they vermently villify that adorned themselves in riches and monies. I find it disturbing in this century people would put an worn out ideal before their well being. I sit here thinking about the don't love money ideal. It relates to who? Rich men? Governments? Jesus was lucky to have been provide with presents at his birth. How many parents today would love to be able to provide that something extra for their children when it really counted? Hard to do when you have a religious monkey on your back telling you you should be working for him for free!!

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Illuminati and the Watchtower

by marriedtoajw in

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now i know this forum has already touched on this topic many times but i'm coming at this from a personal angle.

as i've said on this forum before, my wife is an active jw and has been getting more and more active while trying to indoctrinate my 21 year old son, who still lives at home and is not working but is going to a community college.

my wife takes him and my 7 years old daughter to some meetings and conventions.

trailerfitter

NoStonecutters. I would instantly recognise some information in what you are saying by the fact you mensioned the occult. I knew someone who was Studying Mme Blavatskis doctrines and was part of an occult society. Heaven knows I cannot remember the societys' name she was linked to however learning a few things about Mme Blavatski she was about at the same time as Russel. A brief encounter with some information about Russel mensioned her name. She has clearly a prayer which included the words "Gods Great Plan" entwinded within the prayer for Occultists. Not much info but history and knowledge will show connections and influences which bring about todays thinking of religious leaders.

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The WT proves again that it does not understand Child Psychology

by Christ Alone in

i posted this elsewhere, but wanted to create a thread about this specifically.

here is one way that i think the wt is absolutely wrong in it's advice on raising children:.

in the 1/13 awake they talk about mistakes that parents make with their children.

trailerfitter

We should actually isten to children, give them the respect they deserve. I was thrown out of my JW serving wifes house for contradicting her. My son said she was rubbish. He was referring to the amount of time she took getting upstairs to read him a story, and yes this is true.... always has to just tidy up or read some more of that awake garbage.... She was livid at his statement. shouting and screaming.

She should have discussed it with him rather than punish him. I understood exactly what he was talking about we'd discussed it. Although she was saying it was disrespectful and he shouldn't say things like that about adults. She is wrong. He has formed and gave an honest opinion. ( I think in all honestly is that she knew she was wrong and couldn't admit it). She also is the sort of person who has never asppologized to anyone. My son doesn't like her much.. Where is the love JC was preaching about?

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Forget the Watchtower,...we are celebrating Christmas

by trailerfitter in

last year i banned a bible class from my house on christmas eve because i took the impression they were coming to gloat over taking my wife away with them.

i celebrated the seasons festivities with my son.

this year, now i am seperated from her i will be having my son around to celebrate the festivities, i will be seeing him take part in the school nativity play (even if i am and atheist).

trailerfitter

Last year I banned a bible class from my house on christmas eve because I took the impression they were coming to gloat over taking my wife away with them. I celebrated the seasons festivities with my son. THis year, now I am seperated from her I will be having my son around to celebrate the festivities, I will be seeing him take part in the school nativity play (even if I am and Atheist). It is a good warm time. Forget what the WT have said in their publications about being a stressful time of the year. What do they know?

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"it's a blessing"

by carla in

since when do jw's say "it's a blessing"?

especially in reference to non jw things?

example, " it is such a blessing to have x,y or z government agency to help...." is this normal?

trailerfitter

It is part of our english cultural language probabally used 100o years ago. Take a look at how many biblical and nautical references there are in everyday Languages.

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Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT break up families

by irondork in

jehovah's witnesses do not break up families.

members who refuse to become or remain jehovah's witnesses... break up families.. really, you apostates have such a distorted perception of reality.. .

.

trailerfitter

I would so much like to puch irondorks face in right now unless he is joking.

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I know very few JW window washers and cleaners

by MC RubberMallet in

maybe these occupations are quoted to make a point, but it loses meaning when maybe 1% of brothers i know actually has these as jobs..

trailerfitter

Our neighbour years ago was a window cleaner. My mum window cleaner and carpenter is JW. When I went to a party with "her" most of the males were window cleaners.

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Gotcha Liar!!! Help needed dealing with deceptive JW.

by trailerfitter in

yep jws are supposed to be honest aren't they?

they are liars decivers and most of all encourage hate in family circles whilst pretending they are the victims.

anyone who makes out they are a victim is a coward!

trailerfitter

It's very true cedars, honesty is the best way forward.. I would like to expose her as a fraud. Are these tactics something like how she was snared up with the JWs in the first place?

How can someone bring the good news to people across the globe whilst they are acting deceptively?.

The boy wants to live with me and if I could influence things to do it I would let him stay. I really do not want him to become a servant to the WT working for free teling a falsehood for the rest of his life.

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Gotcha Liar!!! Help needed dealing with deceptive JW.

by trailerfitter in

yep jws are supposed to be honest aren't they?

they are liars decivers and most of all encourage hate in family circles whilst pretending they are the victims.

anyone who makes out they are a victim is a coward!

trailerfitter

Yep JWs are supposed to be honest aren't they? Well they are not. They are liars decivers and most of all encourage hate in family circles whilst pretending they are the victims. Anyone who makes out they are a victim is a coward! Sorry,... that is a generalisation however my ex partner is a deceiver and a liar and she is a self proclaimed "I am an honest JW- I don't lie" .

I have for the last few months, after seeing my ex partner move out, after deceiving the housing authorities to give her a house as 'according to her' I wanted her out. Actually this wasn't true. I offered her to take over the tenancy agreement for the house that I walked out of. Nope! Jehovah will provide a better residence (which she got by being decietful).

I have struggled with her, on many occations as she trys to find a reason to start an arguement which includs, shouting, pushing me out of her new house (after repairing many things including laying floors).

Now I have found that when she says that my boy, who I go and collect is having guest..... it is a secret,... it's no-one or nothing special but she does this in front of my son and make a point of telling this with me there. Tonight he wanted to come around mine, she said no, they're have guests again. This made him excited at the thought of having someone to play with. I got a phone call from him later on, there were no children, just 2 adults and he was fed up.. I felt his dissapointment. He got his mother to the phone, who didn't really want to talk to me. I explained to her that he was dissapointed and that he did want to come and stay around mine so, like usual, I could take him to school the next morning. Her answer was,...."well aren't I allowed guests" in an arrogant tone before throwing the phone down

Point being that she decived him into staying with her with the promise of some guests of his own age. I thought deception was part of Satans snare? Aren't JWs supposed to set a good example?..I think mental strain is showing or was that the theocratic warefare leaking out.

Anyway, for those who have been through simular, what can I do to deal with this?? Perhaps a camera pointed at her will make her think twice?